House Unseen

Dwija Borobia

Why are homeschooled kids so annoying?

by Dwija Borobia on April 22, 2012 · 389 comments

“Oh but dweej…that’s real life!  You can’t just go around being annoying all the time.  Better they learn now than later!”

Better they learn what?  That the crowd knows best?  That their interests are boring and a waste of time?  That they need to wear a certain thing and buy a certain thing in order to be worth people’s time?  Better they learn now not to stand up for themselves?

Because that’s the thing.  By the time annoying people like that are older, they’re older.  They’ve advanced beyond certain stages of childhood and are better able to confidently stand up for what they believe in.  The idea of being ostracized by a group of people that they don’t really like anyway no longer sends them into a panic.  If they spend their whole childhood trying to be something they’re not or believing that what they are is weird and weird is bad, they’ll enter adulthood with those same perceptions, that same lack of self-confidence.

If, on the other hand, they’re able to cultivate their interests, learn to be comfortable in their own quirky skin, encouraged to achieve as much as their little over-achieving hearts desire, they’ll enter adulthood with the confidence to continue on that path.  They won’t automatically wonder if people will disagree or make fun of them when they make assertions or cling to ideals.  And if those people do disagree or make fun of them they won’t care.  Because they’re not kids anymore.  They’re all grown up!

Of course, not every homeschooled kid is like that.  Not even every one of the kids who lives in this house is like that.  But no one asks the “normal” kids and adults if they were homeschooled.  It doesn’t cross their minds.  Because they’re so, you know, normal.

But the homeschooled kids who are like that, who are “annoying” are so different, so confident, so willing to allow themselves to be something that the majority of society has labeled as weird, that people can’t help but paint all homeschooled families with the weirdo brush.  Because shouldn’t kids like that want to keep their mouths shut and keep their opinions to themselves?

And that’s why homeschooled kids are so annoying.  Because no one tells them that the way God made them isn’t cool enough.
post signature

Dwija Borobia lives with her husband and their four (soon-to-be-five!) kids in rural southwest Michigan in a fixer-upper they bought sight-unseen off the internet. Between homeschooling and corralling chickens, she pretends her time on the internet doesn’t count because she uses the computer standing up. You can read more on her blog house unseen. life unscripted.

Pages: 1 2

  • http://www.facebook.com/sherron0 Sherron Lucile Ostrander

    I reposted this to FB a year ago, and when I stumbled onto it today, I posted it again. Excellent article. When I was asked, “What about Socialization?” I always answered, “Well yes, of course the improved socialization opportunities are great, but I’m really doing this for academic reasons.” Also often a stopper for all the rest of the condescending questions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sherron0 Sherron Lucile Ostrander

    I completely LOVE this answer!

  • Person

    As long as the living conditions are fine and if the child is receiving social contact, then home-school is the way to go. But if the home is a stressful environment and there is no way to hang out with friends, then you will just put your child through absolute hell and you’ll be lucky if your kid doesn’t shoot himself in the head. Trust me, I barely made it through “childhood” with that kind of a life, if you can even call it a childhood.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marie.a.schmidt Marie Ann Schmidt

    You don’t need to have 100 friends having 1 or 2 REAL friends is what matters……..I grew up just find having 2 or 3 really true and good friends instead of so many fake friends.

  • Chickaree

    I love it! Thank you for writing this. My inlaws hammered me with these kinds of questions and still can’t quite come to terms with the fact that they don’t need to worry about “socialization.” I might just give them this to read….

  • http://www.facebook.com/janae.wallace Janae Wallace

    it’s “two cents” by the way ;)

  • Candy Lawrence

    What you’re describing- the ‘weird’ kid- screams to me ‘the gifted child’. And it’s true that gifted kids will often do so much better being homeschooled, because nobody is going to be calling them weird when they’re just advanced. Often in mainstream schooling they become the target of bullies because of their ‘weirdness’. Go the homeschoolers, say I.

  • Stephen

    I really wish that the pervasive Homeschool vs Public vs Private school debate would stop being framed in this manner. Any time you pit schooling options against one another, everyone inevitably loses the argument. There are pros and cons to every solution… some people see options with more pros than others; thats why they make the choice that works for their family.

    However one of the core question that goes into making the best decisions for your children is often ignored (or at least not discussed openly): “Do I understand my child’s strengths and weaknesses intimately enough to make the appropriate schooling decision?” Trying to toute one schooling option as superior to another fails to acknowledge the unique character, skills, and attributes that each child possesses. It is my opinion that Children benefit most from a parent who tailor’s schooling decisions to the individual child wherever possible. For example, I have relatives who have three children: the youngest child goes to a private christian school, the oldest goes to a charter school, and the middle child is homeschooled. Each of these schooling choices is custom tailored to the child and can be changed by the parents should they begin to see that a different option would work better at any time.

    Furthermore to act as if the term ‘socialization’ refers solely to forcing a child into a the masses mentality is a misstep in my opinion. There are children who legitimately have a difficult time learning how to relate to or empathize with human beings outside of their immediate family structure. In this case, I believe that a strong case could be made for placing the child in a closely monitored environment where they have the opportunity to interact with those outside their comfort zone. Not because the child is ‘weird’, but simply because the parent is exercising good judgement to help their child grow in a given area that could potentially become crippling for them down the road.

    Again, it all comes down to parental involvement. A homeschooling parent who takes the ‘one size fits all’ approach can be equally in error as the parent who dumps there kid off in public school without a second thought. If you are not actively engaged in determining the best environment for your child, you’ve done them a great disservice- if you assume one size fits all you do yourself a disservice.

    My wife and I both grew up experiencing all three of these options: private school, public school, and home school. We are unbiased in that we didn’t prefer any of the options over the other. What I really enjoyed growing up was the blend of benefits that came from all three. In private school I enjoyed celebrating my Christian faith with likeminded believers, in homeschool I enjoyed getting to work at an excellerated pace, in public school I loved being part of a great arts/music program that opened many doors for me later in my college years.

    A giant pet peeve of mine is when homeschooling families talk down to, insult, or otherwise belittle kids who are have been raised in a private/public school. Homeschooling may seem like a small minority for some, but in many churches homeschooling is the prevailing method where they suddenly become the majority. When this is the case, things can turn downright nasty as some homeschooling parents teach their kids that public school kids are ‘demonic’, ‘unlearned’, ‘stupid’, ‘slow’, and on and on… I recently when in to receive CPA advice from a man who has 9 kids and homeschools all of them. Apparently he thought that I had been homeschooled all my life. He proceeded to degrade and insult families and children who weren’t homeschooled. I saw firsthand how is children (who also worked in his office) echoed this awful example set by their father with knowing, sly grins and snickers as their dad proceeded to denigrate his fellow human beings.

    When is this type of attitude going to stop? Let’s be involved parents who love our children enough not to instill hatred into them. You can see it in these comments… there are homeschooled children posting about public school life (bullies knocking books out of people’s hands, cliques, etc). They are playing to stereotypical portrayals of what their parents have told them, what they have seen on TV. They are mimicking the bigotry of their parents. We live in a fallen, sinful world and it is unrealistic to think that sin won’t touch our kids in one way or another, be it in public, private, or homeschooling scenarios.

    My point is not to convince someone of which schooling method is better. The crux of the matter is this: if parents spent less time criticizing other’s schooling methods and more time getting to know their children as individuals, the world would be a much better experience. There ARE weird homes schoolers. There ARE weird private schoolers. There ARE weird private schoolers. But mostly, there ARE just plain weird parents who don’t get the fact that they should be paying more attention to their children’s learning strengths/weaknesses instead of taking a hardline on some unrealistic one-size-fits all solution.

    Sorry for the length of this one, but this is an issue extremely near and dear to my heart. As a father to two littles ones fast approaching schooling age, schooling decisions have been at the forefront of my mind. Frankly, I’ve been absolutely disgusted with the nastiness of biases from all sides of the equation. Consider this my sanctioned venting… ;)

    May God see fit to bless our Children with an education that best fits the way He uniquely crafted them.

  • Stephen

    Note, my comment isn’t made in response to the article (I felt it was actually well thought out and justified). My response was made more with regards to some of the comments present in this thread.

  • Claire

    Very well said, Stephen. Thank you for a balanced and thoughtful comment. My son is finishing up a three-morning/week Christian preschool, and is going to start half-day public kindergarten in the fall. If that doesn’t work out, homeschooling is our backup plan (private school is not financially possible for us). I belong to a Catholic homeschooling yahoo group, and the members there seem pretty non-judgmental. I have encountered much more judgment from the anti-homeschooling side. But I know that in some areas there is judgment to go around on all sides, and that is unfortunate.

  • jb

    I was not home-schooled and I had natural curiosity to learn things that seemed “weird” to others and never waivered about being an individual or worried about fitting in even if I got teased. I have nothing against home-schooling. But don’t use the excuse to shield your child from ridicule as your reason. At some point, they have to develop inner strength and resilience to withstand ridicule. As Christians we are told that we will be ridiculed. If your child never faces this until they leave your home, how resilient will they be when they are 18 and it’s the first time they are ridiculed by peers?

    Furthermore, how are you teaching them to be a light to others who need a light when all their friends are in uncontested environments just like yours? Again, I don’t have a problem with home-schooling. Just make sure your children understand that a part of being a compassionate person entails having to deal with others who are not so easy to deal with. Jesus Himself engaged in less than desirable environments for the sole purpose of being a Light.

    That’s why I’ll let my children go to school. I’ll still be teaching them how to be exactly who God created them to be AND allowing them to blossom as an individual because I will still encourage that at home. We will talk everyday about what they faced at school. And if they don’t “fit in”, I’ll teach them about being a leader who doesn’t have fit someone elses’ mold to be a follower but how to be trail blazer.

  • Cheryl

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/education/education-gap-grows-between-rich-and-poor-studies-show.html?pagewanted=all Whatever the setting I would want evey child to have the chance to reach their potential

  • Claire

    I think the hope is that by the time they’re 18, they’ll have developed a strong enough sense of self to be able to handle ridicule and know how to respond to it. If a child is ridiculed excessively during their formative years, it doesn’t always result in resilience. Sometimes it results in something very detrimental.

  • JulieCrowther

    Well said! What a great article. Our eldest daughter is ready to start school this fall and we have decided to homeschool. We’ve met with some resistance from our family members but are standing firm in our decision.

    If you have any advice for me…i’ll take it!!

  • Public School Teacher

    The results of homeschooling have a whole lot more to do with socio-economic status than it does with homeschooling itself. To the person who commented that everyone in a welfare line was schooled by the public school system, I have this to say: poverty breeds poverty. I’m willing to bet my salary that 99.9% of the people in that welfare line were raised on welfare. Their parents had neither the education, nor the financial means, to home school their children. Most of the people commenting on this article are of solid middle-class status. You are educated yourselves. You have the financial means to homeschool your children. Yes, you probably will be able to provide your children with a solid education. I do not doubt that. But that has to do with what you are able to provide due to your middle class status, not with homeschooling itself. You guys are the minority. Most people who homeschool stick a textbook in front of their child, tell them to read the chapter, and complete the questions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joannachenbryant Joanna Chen Bryant

    I am an emergency physician and have decided to homeschool my kids (5 and 3). It has always been a dream of mine to be mommy to children. My husband fully supports me. He is willing to work full-time (and then some) to afford me the luxury of staying home with the kids. Granted, I had a 15 year career as an ER Doc and loved it! But now that we have kids, my priorities have completely changed. Nothing I can do in the world of medicine will ever compare to the importance of the work I am doing with my kids.

  • Dee Dee

    I always ask as my answer “What is socialization” Almost everyone gives me the wrong answer. As homeschooling moms, we need to know the real meaning of socialization so when we are asked this question, we will know how to answer it correctly and truthfully. Thanks for writing this article. It has been both informative and encouraging. I encourage each mom to find their “Own” answer and definition of socialization.

  • dawop

    I love how all homeschool parents think their kids are above-average and really smart. Some are, but most aren’t, friend. The smartest schooled kids are more competent at a whole lot of useful skills than any hometaught children I’ve met.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dyann.campbell Dyann Campbell

    i agree ,my son who likes to answer with his knowledge and who always experimented and has interest
    that would be nerdy would not of fit in but he can be himself ,he also is pure yet not in the dark ,he stills does (kiddie stuff) ,but is gradually out growing .

  • Claire

    Well, now there’s a really well-researched opinion. And one that adds a lot to this discussion.

  • sg

    I like the article. I agree that kids should feel comfortable to pursue interests and feel free from peer pressure. I wish i could homeschool–the moms can set up whatever schedule they want–have playdates–excursions with other moms whenever, get up late, got bed late…who cares? the problem I have seen in our area where homeschooling is very popular is that public schooling is actually looked down upon…as if it’s not religious enough. I’ve heard one mom (a friend) say that all colds and flus come from public school kids. well i can tell you that the homeschool kids i know have more flus than the others. Then moms have lots of kids, homeschool which means they can’t work, then end up asking for a lot of handouts, qualifying for free this or that because their family size is big and family income small. this irks me. I planned my family according to what I can afford. I don’t ask for handouts and i dont’ give any in my business. also i kinda feel sorry for the homeschooled kids i know that are wearing Goodwill clothing 2-3 sized too small. their parents say “who cares, they’re not going to get ridiculed (because they stay at home)”. but i enjoy dressing my daughter cute–not expensive. i shop at consignment shops and she wears clothing that fits her. my older daughter has quality friends at public school and i am sooooo thankful that those parents sent their kids to public school so my daughter can find similar religion/nice friends at school.

  • Claire

    Hmm, you like the article, but then go on to make negative generalizations about homeschoolers. Nice.

  • sg

    i’m talking about my experience claire. It’s not all one way. it’s called being balanced–seeing both sides.There are some things i like about homeschooling—i can see some benefits such as those in the article–but there are some things about homeschool parents and their motivations that I have found annoying. I’m just pointing out that giving kids opportunity–they can wear whatever they want and be creative–is a good thing. but taking away opportunity–giving kids hand me downs, decreasing their choice but then not worrying about them being ridiculed because you homeschool anyway—is not necessarily a positive thing. The article writer mentioned laughing at her child’s outfit choices, but the homeschool families I know don’t really give their kids much choice–they simply don’t buy them clothes. whatever people give them for free, that’s it. So of course they have mismatched outfits. I’m just telling my experience. not ALL homeschool parents are one way, but i want people to examine their own motivations and prejudices. it goes both ways and some of the homeschool friends i have look down on parents who public school. In some churches, you are “in” if you homeschool and “out” if you don’t.

  • sg

    Thanks Zagamaph. I know if i had been homeschooled by my parents, I would have been alot less well rounded. and they never could have taught me foreign languages. There are things I did not like about school (the size) and things I did like.

  • sg

    thanks lilacs! i have to admit, I was a more weird type kid that loved being athletic or reading—i didn’t ever “get” pop culture. also i was socially backward because my parents were socially backward. I was raised in public school. I learned to be more normal in job settings where i had to perform. even now I am a doctor and find that I am much happier on days where I am busy at work, seeing lots of people and being social—performing and acting more normal. I like my days off and hours alone, but if I spend too much time that way, i get more isolated, more into my own thing and less social and less effective as a person. I think i would have benefitted from being in a smaller school, maybe of my religion, but homeschooling may have made me even more shy and introverted. being away from my parents helped me see what normal was–not religiously–just socially. i suppose i got some of that from church youth group, but public school may have helped. I can see your point. also we must remember that there is a fine line between being annoyingly precocious and flat out Aspergers. parents who homeschool would do well to keep in mind that people with Aspergers are generally more depressed and lonely than other people. We should not encourage our children to be more like Aspies socially because we think they are gifted or advanced.

  • Claire

    I do see both sides of this issue, and as I’ve mentioned several times, we are sending our son to public kindergarten next year, with homeschooling as our backup plan. But I’m certainly not going to make generalizations about homeschooling families taking handouts, or criticize them because the mother doesn’t work. I have a small family, only one child, and I only work part-time because in my mind, my job is taking care of my son. And that’s much more important to me than “dressing him cute”.

  • http://preciousscars.wordpress.com/2012/06/page/2/ pi31415

    If you’re going to start attacking another person’s grammar, you might want to make sure your own is impeccable. “You know, us home schooled kids are a pretty small sample size, Tori.” <— should be "WE home schooled kids are a pretty small sample size." Also, it's two CENTS not two sense.

    And A Beka has plenty of its own grammar issues — ending sentences with prepositions comes to mind. I recommend Singapore. :)

  • Jennifer

    Good article… I was one of those weird kids, but I went to public school and got wear the scars from being teased a lot… I have kids who are also “weird” that way, and some who are not…. most people confuse social skills with socialization, and don’t understand their implications…. If someone asks me the “what about socialization” question, then I will actually say, “Did you just ask me if my kids were weird?” LOL… Throws them off a bit… but then I explain that socialization is actually a political and social term, and has to do with making sure the “masses” conform… meaning that all people think and do what they are told to do by the majority. Social skills is what we do try to teach them, and yes, they have plenty of opportunity to learn them. Now that I have adults as well as children, people can see that they are a little weird, but not as weird as their mom, so I guess that is why they have stopped asking…. LOL…

  • Susan C

    Never had kids, but was just praising home schooling. Seem to me it turns out rather bright kids who know who they are and what the like.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1593626323 Lani M Dingman Siciliano

    So no woman who is educated should want to be a mother full time? Ridiculous. Many of us have advanced degrees yet have chosen to be full time mothers and even home school our children. It is the most important job I have ever held. I use my education every day. I

  • http://www.facebook.com/barry.sullivan.3388 Barry Sullivan

    My wife homeschooled my son through high school which allowed him to take college courses at the local community college during this time. He started a landscaping business at 12, earned the Eagle Scout rank, graduated from college in thre years and now works for Intel as a software engineer. In his spare time he has started a landscaping company, does IT consulting and is a member of the Coast Guard Auxiliary. He could not have achieved all this if he had not been home schooled. I am the Scout Master for a Catholic home schooling Boy Scout Troop and the scouts are polite, respectful, happy and a joy to be around because they are so well socialized in the right way. believe the best hope our country has is that more folks will home school!

  • Macca

    The argument presented in the article is “people will make fun of my children anyway because they are smart, so I might as well homeschool them so they can be smart and not have to deal with ridicule”
    Except the fact that learning how to deal with ridicule and opposing viewpoints is a part of growing up. How you respond to it – silently, with a huge outburst, reactionary, loudly, quietly? You can protect your children now, but they will grow up and go out into the world as adults. And if your child never learned how to deal with people with opposing viewpoints, it may just cost them a job. It’s a sure bet that at least one of their future managers will be a “normal” person, that will test your kid’s resolve.

    Office environments, retail environments, factory environments, etc are often split into cliques, filled with people you don’t necessarily want to know and don’t want to be friends with, but you have to deal with and perform alongside. What does that sound like? Oh! High school! Your child may be lucky and avoid these social pitfalls yet again, but I think it’s rather unlikely. A person doesn’t have to change themselves, simply put on a mask now and again and nod along until you get a new job or move up the ladder. THAT’s the socialization kids have to learn. If your kid learned it, good. But from my experience with homeschoolers, they’re woefully unprepared to deal with people that don’t agree with their carefully boxed little world, completely controlled by the parents.

  • Claire

    Dealing with opposing viewpoints is a part of growing up and a part of life, and your generalization that homeschooled kids live in a completely controlled world is inconsistent with the homeshcooling families I know. Being subject to daily ridicule and bullying is not a necessary part of childhood, and far too many children experience this on a daily basis and as a result grow up to be depressed adults with low self esteem. It’s all about balance. Yes, children need to learn how to stand up to themselves and deal with adviersity. But it does not need to be the extreme scenario that occurs far too often in the school setting. I am going to start my son at public school kindergarten next year. But if he ends up in that extreme situation, you can bet I will homeschool him, and it’s not because I plan to keep him in a carefully boxed little world that is completely controlled by me. These generalizations are getting really tiresome.

  • Macca

    What you learned from that AP course was sometimes there are two ways to get to a goal. It is beneficial to know that every now and then, sucking up will get you through something that’s totally out of your league, so you can succeed later in life. And you think this was a bad thing to learn?

  • Claire

    When the subject of the course is Calculus, and she instead was taught the lesson of sucking up and playing a game, I would have to agree that this was a bad thing.

  • mom of three

    While I agree that homeschooling can be a fine choice, it is a blanket statement that a kid who questions things and has a wide range of interests will be ridiculed and stuck into a label. My daughter is a little “out of the norm”, if you will. Completely different than her more annoying (honestly, she is mine, I love her, but she is annoying!) 3 year old sister. We kill ourselves financially for her to be in Catholic school. Some would argue that this choice is even more oppressive than public school, but we have found quite the opposite. In fact, they are taught anti-bullying from the start. If we were to homeschool the elder daughter, it would be a disservice to her. Her school, as many non-home-schools, encourages the academic questions but helps her with the social rule-following that, while some frown on it, I feel is necessary for an adult to learn from childhood to function in the workplace and just the adult world in general. Questions are great. Not knowing when to follow the corporate culture and the time and place to voice those great thoughts…not so great. We all know those adults who cannot keep their mouths shut, no matter where they were schooled. Just my 2cents. I have no issue with anyone’s choice of schooling, and I believe there are homeschoolers who work very hard to accomplish all of the above. I give kudos to you because I know I could not accomplish this with my three. Just accepting my limitations and I feel schools are great for those of us who cannot. But please, consider that the brightest and most intelectually unique can also benefit from that socialization and order, especially since some, like my own daughter, have trouble self-regulating that and need the examples. I do not believe that uniqueness need be stifled or ridiculed in a formal environment. School is a collaboration of parent, child and teacher(s)/administration. I’m an at-home mom at this time, just as a background. EVERYONE believes their own children are unique, by the way. Everyone’s situation is unique, just support other moms’ decisions to know what works in their gut for their kids. As parents, we also need to remember the precious children in our charge will have to function in a world beyond us. I struggle w/ this daily.

  • Bill Guentner

    The comment made my Kathleen Wagner is incorrect. She is making a correlation between two incidents or actions; those who are homeschooled and have never opened fire on other students, and those who have not been homeschooled and done so. There is no scientific basis that supports correlations. Put that in your homeschooled pipe and smoke it.

  • Julia

    Thank you for saying something. I’m new to this page and cannot believe how people are snapping at others, this is a Christian page! The least you can do is be polite in your responses and if you don’t know how, say nothing at all.

  • xaviatress

    Your argument is true, but so are the statistics. Most people other than you just think about what they learn from the schmedia. Therefore, the non-home schoolers have heard those facts to be true, but don’t really “think” about it like you did. So…that argument works with them. In other words, when talking to stupid, answer in stupid so stupid can understand.