Harvey Milk Day — Please Take 30 Seconds to Call Gov and Stop It

Gov. Schwarzenegger is being pressured to sign Senate Bill 572
SB 572 would pressure every California public school to have an official Harvey Milk Day promoting the homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual agenda to children as young as kindergarten.

This legislation is written so broadly that it could allow gay-pride parades on campus, cross-dressing, and homosexual marriage dramas, etc. on Harvey Milk Day.

It’s all going to come down to how much pressure California’s governor feels. Last year the Democrat-controlled Legislature passed Harvey Milk Gay Day, but Schwarzenegger vetoed it.

This year, Schwarzenegger is being lobbied more heavily by homosexual activists. Sean Penn, who played Harvey Milk on the big screen, and Milk’s homosexual activist nephew, have both lobbied Schwarzenegger to ask him to sign SB 572. This year there are four more Democrats in the Assembly voting for Harvey Milk Gay Day. And for the first time Republican Senator Abel Maldonado is supporting this anti-traditional family value bill.

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Call Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger at 916-445-2841.

Listen to the recorded message and press in the following order:
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  • truthplease

    Harvey Milk Day sounds like a great way to celebrate equality, diversity, and tolerance–great family values.

  • jm06

    Certainly these values are good for the family in so far as they are rooted in love and truth, but the devil’s distortion of sexuality is in no way equal to God’s glorious design. We must reject the lies that the devil presents out of love for God and love for neighbor.

  • perigrine

    truthplease???? are you being sarcastic? great family values would support the “family” not undermine and destroy it. The facts bear out the decay of our current society’s distortion of the “truth” and equality, diversity and tolerance.

  • orapronobis

    To truthplease:
    Please read Catechism of Catholic Church, paragraph 2357. Genuine equality, diversity and tolerance are never found in intrinsically disordered behaviors. God loves all persons, not all behaviors.

  • truthplease

    Homosexuality is intrinsic. That’s correct. It’s not a choice. But it is not considered a disorder by respected medical bodies. It’s not a crime.

    If someone is homosexual, how does that hurt Catholics to let that person live their life? If we are intolerant of others, it hurts the objects of our intolerance, and in the long term, it makes us worse people.

  • Terri

    FYI I called the number and got a busy signal. I went to the Gov of CA site, clicked on the option to contact governor. It asked for my name and email address and then allowed me to send him a message which I did re this bill.
    I do not want my grandchildren to learn that homosexual behavior is ok. I love everybody as I am commanded to do but I do not accept homosexual behavior. The media is bombarding us with the idea that any behavior of this type is ok. We are being brainwashed. It goes against God.

  • jpckcmo

    Thanks, truthplease, for the rational words. Harvey Milk worked for equality for all, was a loving and compassionate person. These are values that all children should learn. Evil is vilifying a person because they are “different.” I’m calling the governor tomorrow and expressing support for the celebration–thanks for giving me his number!

  • esquiremom

    to “truthplease” who stated:

    “Equality, diversity and tolerance are great family values”

    Is tolerance of diverse opinions a family value as well? How about tolerance of religious values? What if one religion believes in stoning to death a person caught in a homosexual act? Should we tolerate those actions? What about someone who sincerely believes that his cultural value of owning a slave is important to his material well being? What about diversity of opinion? Is there room in our society for a civil discussion of diversity of opinion on the issue of homosexuality? Are children entitled to the same “equality” as adults in having access to alcohol?

    The problem with your “family values” is that they are nothing more than a slide into moral relativism., i.e., each person decides what is best for them and no one has a right to tell them that their lifestyle or opinion is wrong. True values are what we used to call virtue: Honesty, Temperance, Prudence, Chastity, Courage…etc.

    I continually teach my children to love as Christ loved and never to make fun of anyone or exclude them because they are “different.” We are all unique and different as God’s children.
    We will all feel like outsiders at some point until we are called home to His Kingdom.

    The family values of love, honor, honesty, kindness, courage, etc., are taught in MY FAMILY by following the teachings of the Catholic Church. Our tradition teaches us, as St. Augustine famously said, “Our hearts are restless Lord, until we rest in Thee.”

    When we reject the life that GOD has planned for us (which we are free to do as a result of free will given to us by God), we suffer the consequences of that action. As a loving mother, my job is to help my children find the unique plan God has for him or her. My children do not need to be distracted in school by discussions about sexual acts and lifestyle alternatives when they should be learning about reading, writing, arithmetic, God and the Providential history of this great country!

  • esquiremom

    to truthplease who stated:

    “Homosexuality is intrinsic … not a choice….not considered a disorder by respected medical bodies…

    The “jury is out,” so to speak, on whether “homosexuality is intrinsic.” Experts do agree, however, that same sex attraction develops very early in life for some people as they never recall a time when they are not attracted to the same sex. However, no so-called “gay-gene” has yet been found.

    As for the APA, it is true that they do not classify homosexuality as a disorder anymore. Did you know that the APA just recently stated that reparative therapy is not longer recognized as a valid “treatment option” for persons suffering from same sex attraction? What does this say about people who formally lived according to their homosexual inclinations but who are now cured and living happily in a marriage or chaste lifestyle? Do they not even exist?

    Please, do your own homework and read the testimonies of these courageous people who are rejected by the very communities that once embraced them.

  • esquiremom

    to truthplease who stated:

    “If someone is homosexual, how does that hurt Catholics to let that person live their life?”

    To answer your question: “Being homosexual” in itself does not hurt the Catholics, other than perhaps creating family pain and disagreement.

    However, it is advocating the homosexual lifestyle and putting a homosexual relationship on par with traditional marriage does hurt Catholics and all citizens.

    It weakens the desirability for marriage (witness the decline in the most libertine western European societies) which is the building block of our society and all great societies.

    Never has a society flourished which discarded the traditional/biological family unit as its base unit of culture.

    The Marriage Project published at Rutgers University by professors Pope and Whitehead provides an enormous amount of research demonstrating conclusively the benefits of traditional marriage and family on everything from personal health, personal and family wealth, and educational achievement and more. Indeed, intact healthy families can do more to reverse the strain on local and state governments than any government program devised to date.

    No one is going to prevent you from living your life as a homosexual as most sodomy laws are either no longer valid or not enforced.

    However, living your life the way you choose is a lot different than forcing me and my family to accept your chosen lifestyle as the equivalent of traditional marriage and family life, or that such a lifestyle should be celebrated in the public school system.

    If I agree to leave you alone in your chosen lifestyle, can you at least agree to leave my children alone and keep sexual orientation discussions out of the classroom?

  • esquiremom

    to jcpckmo who stated:

    “Evil is vilifying a person because he is different.”

    Your statement assumes that simply disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle on religious and cultural grounds is “vilifying a person because he is different” and therefore “evil.” How absurd.

    We can all agree that each of us is genetically unique and different from the other, regardless of our sexual orientation. Each of us possesses a unique immortal soul. God loves each of us as if we were the only person ever created.

    The problem here is that I don’t want anyone indoctrinating my children with the lie that homosexual activity is both normal and good for them, and the equivalent of a healthy marital relationship!

    I don’t know about you, but my personal identity is more than my sexuality, MUCH MORE.

    GOD created each of us in HIS image and likeness…”male and female HE created them…”

    To fully understand our human sexuality as GOD alone created us, we need to go back to the beginning to understand the distortions of the great gift of sexuality as a result of Original sin, which distortions and misunderstandings can result in our personal and spiritual ruin.

    God has so much more planned for you than the temporal pleasures of the flesh … if you only knew!

    In this regard, John Paul II has given humanity a great gift in the Theology of the Body which can open the hearts and minds of even the most ardent proponents of sexual libertinism if they are just open to its message.

    If you are sincerely happy in your chosen lifestyle, then perhaps you are not ready to hear the Truth of the spousal meaning of the body and the proper use of our gift of sexuality as intended by God.

    If, on the other hand, you are a person who struggles with same sex attraction and continually tries to justify being engaged in homosexual acts, but you still don’t feel right about it, I suggest you start by reading any of Christopher West’s materials on the Theology of the Body and contacting the group Courage, which helps persons suffering with same-sex attraction to discover the freedom and peace that comes with living a chaste lifestyle!

    If you are sincere in your search for Truth. He will lead you to the true meaning of human sexuality. You will never regret saying yes to Christ!

    In the meantime, I will continue to speak out in love about against homosexual behavior and to reject any attempt to indoctrinate my children from viewing as normative a medically and spiritually unhealthy lifestyle. “Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.” Only God knows your heart…

  • elkabrikir

    Stop! Let’s talk about the children for a minute. Remember them? They’re the target, in this case, of this post-modern movement and its agenda.

    …Please note, that many movements, such as the lauded and necessary Civil Rights Movement, have well calculated strategies for implementing their plan. During the Civil Rights Movement, these strategies included legal and social action. (Brown v Board of Ed and the “Sit-ins”. However, many illicit movements, which target the bedrock of society, the family, also are well calculated movements. For example, Roe V Wade did not occur without years of preparatory lawsuits and without propaganda by people like Bernard Nathanson.

    Former Members of the (formerly named) Hemlock Society have been working for decades to help people embrace a premature, planned death. The Hemlock Society doesn’t exist any more, but lives on under euphamisms which propel the 60 year old movement forward. http://www.assistedsuicide.org/farewell-to-hemlock.htm

    The dehumanizing Sexual Revolution Movement has deep roots too. It coalesced and began with Darwin and Malthus. Margaret Sanger synthesised their thoughts into her eugenics movement. Freudian thought combined with Sanger’s contraceptive beliefs moved contraception into the public arena and validated the formerly illicit behavior. Anti-contraception Comstock laws were struck down under “privacy” laws (Griswold). This process paved the way for Roe v Wade.

    Concurrently, the Homosexual Movement integrated the above philosophies and melded them into a cohesive agenda. This month CE ran a news article in which a British man detailed the long, secret plan of the Homosexual movement to push its agenda. (Part of the plan was to infiltrate organizations and parliament with “moles”. They also searched out opportunities for legal test cases.) The person who revealed the secret plan was excoriated because ordinary citizens are not supposed to know that their licit way of life is under attack by post-modern, hedonistic, atheists who are seeking to legitimize their decadent way of life.

    Harvey Milk Day is simply part of an overall strategy to destroy the family and replace it with……….well, I don’t know what you replace it with,………. but the Soviet Communists, according to Pope John Paul II, thought to replace it with “comrades”

    As an aside, the devil isn’t too saddened by the secrecy of these movements either.


    Back to my MAIN point, What about the children? Young children must learn gender identity and what it means to be male (XY) or female (XX). It is critical for them to integrate their gender at an early age. They don’t understand the implications of male and female body parts but they recognize the difference at a young age (3 perhaps). Young and not-so-young children are incapable of understanding the physical behavior of (even) heterosexual intercourse, but they know that, children, dogs, cats, horses, fish, etc…. have a mommy and a daddy. What are they to think when they are faced with a homosexual couple? In justice, their innocence and cognitave abiltiy must be respected.

    I can’t imagine what normalizing transgender behavior will do to the human personality. Children should not be the target of experimental social engineering nor the victim of a utilitarian movement such as the dehumanizing Sexual Revolution (Of which the homosexual movement is a part). They have already suffered enough under the Abortion and Divorce categories of the Sexual Revolution.

    Many people won’t speak up against Harvey Milk Day because they want to protect their own agenda (contraception, divorce, abortion rights). However, in justice meditate on the Truth of the Human Person, and protect the innocent, helpless child from this war on his very person.

    Call the Governor’s office NOW!

  • jpckcmo

    I don’t believe the objective of Harvey Milk day will be to indoctrinate anyone in the homosexual lifestyle. Rather, it will be to call attention to a person who stood up for those who were being discriminated against, who treated others with kindness and respect and who earned respect in return.
    How sad that you must be threatened by this. It only shows the weakness of your position. Marriage is not weakened by the idea of homosexual unions, it would be strengthened by their commitment to each other, something sadly lacking in many heterosexual relationships. There is nothing morally relative about encouraging a loving commitment between consenting adults. Excuse me–I have to go call California!

  • elkabrikir


    despite your lucid arguments, some demons can only be driven out by prayer and fasting.

    God bless you for your vociferous defense of the Trinity as it is reflected in a sacramental marriage.

  • mwfields

    I am new to this, so forgive me for, perhaps, not being as ‘scholorly’ as some. But it occurs to me that there is a common sense approach to this that hasn’t been looked at. Though some will argue whether God created some of us as homosexuals, let’s stipulate to that point and say that He did. To then say that the sexual behavior of the homosexual person is just in keeping with their natural tendency and, therefore, should be protected, tolerated and/or promoted is flawed logic.

    many ‘tendencies of man’, things that are inherent to our fallen nature, are recognized as contrary to natural law things that we should not folow through on and work to resist. Some of us tend to be lazy, yet we struggle to not give in to that tendency because natural law tells us that only through industry can we realize our potential. Some of us are tempted to steal, yet we universally agree that theft is against natural law and peopel with this ‘tendency’ should resist it. Some people are driven to murder, an undisputed violation of natural law and our entire culture screams that one should go against this ‘tendency’.

    So how is it that this desire to have sex with someone of the same gender – clearly an act which is a violation of natural law by any definition of it, keeping God’s law off to the side for a moment – shouldn’t be resisted by us the same way these other violations of natural law are?

    Again, put aside the argument that one is or isn’t born gay. Gay behavior is against natural law and it seems to me that the behavior should be resisted and not celebrated.

  • perigrine

    There is nothing wrong with being homsexual as long as they lead a celibate lifestyle. It is no different than a heterosexual living celibately outside of wedlock. However, since a homsexual can not marry in the traditional procreative definition of natural as well as God’s law, they must maintain their celibacy. If a homosexual chooses to be committed relationship, civil union, etc. (all things they can do now by law anyway) they simply must remain clibate to not be in sin and remain in God’s love.

    When gay activists try to shove there “tolerance” down the throats of those who disagree with them (something they vehemently denounce Christians for interestingly) then we must put our collective majority foot down so that the minority fringe does not win.

    Call the gubenator, though he is deaf and lost in his desire for popularity and no confrontation.

  • esquiremom

    to elkabrikir:

    Thanks for your kinds words. You are totally correct about fasting and prayer.

    I notice that jpckmo did not respond to any of my factual arguments. Instead, s/he attempts to ridicule the arguments presented as “sad” and “weak.”

    This is a typical response of someone schooled in the Delphi Technique, also known as the Alinsky method. The goal is to marginalize those with whom they disagree by making them appear ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic. Then, others will shy away from that position for fear they too will be ridiculed, etc. and the advocate gets what they want.

    The technique is quite successful and is used today in politics, community organizing, and education. It was outlined by Hunter Madsen and Marshall Kirk in their 1989 book “After the Ball” as a method by which Americans would come to accept the homosexual lifestyle as normative.

    As for touting the virtues of Mr. Milk, I would direct those interested to review some information at the following link and Mr. Milk’s connections with the notorious Jim Jones as excerpted below:

    Rather than the gentle, soft-spoken idealist portrayed by Sean Penn, the real Harvey Milk was a short-tempered demagogue who cynically invented stories of victimhood to advance his political career. During his successful run for city supervisor, for instance, Milk’s camera store was the object of a glass-shattering attack by low-grade explosives. Milk blamed singer Anita Bryant, the outspoken opponent of gay-friendly legislation. “Years later friends hinted broadly that Harvey had more than a little foreknowledge that the explosions would happen,” biographer Randy Shilts noted. One friend explained to Shilts: “You gotta realize the campaign was sort of going slow, and, well . . .”…
    Nine days prior to Milk’s death, more than 900 followers of Jim Jones—many of them campaign workers for Milk—perished in the most ghastly set of murder-suicides in modern history. Before the congregants of the Peoples Temple drank Jim Jones’s deadly Kool-Aid, Harvey Milk and much of San Francisco’s ruling class had already figuratively imbibed. Milk occasionally spoke at Jones’s San Francisco–based headquarters, promoted Jones through his newspaper columns, and defended the Peoples Temple from its growing legion of critics. Jones provided conscripted “volunteers” for Milk’s campaigns to distribute leaflets by the tens of thousands. Milk returned the favor by abusing his position of public trust on behalf of Jones’s criminal endeavors.

    “Rev. Jones is widely known in the minority communities here and elsewhere as a man of the highest character, who has undertaken constructive remedies for social problems which have been amazing in their scope and effectiveness,” Supervisor Milk wrote President Jimmy Carter seven months before the Jonestown carnage. The purpose of Milk’s letter was to aid and abet his powerful supporter’s abduction of a six-year-old boy. Milk’s missive to the president prophetically continued: “Not only is the life of a child at stake, who currently has loving and protective parents in the Rev. and Mrs. Jones, but our official relations with Guyana could stand to be jeopardized, to the potentially great embarrassment of our State Department.” John Stoen, the boy whose actual parents Milk libeled to the president as purveyors of “bold-faced lies” and blackmail attempts, perished at Jonestown. This, the only remarkable episode in Milk’s brief tenure on the San Francisco board of supervisors, is swept under the rug by his hagiographers.


    As between Mr. Milk and John Paul II as a role model showing love and concern for the downtrodden, I’ll chose JPII everytime! Theology of the Body is the key to the cultural counter-revolution…Read it, know it, live it…Viva Cristo Rey!

  • bobibeth

    What about the 2 cities that God had destroyed because of homosexual behavior? Obviously it is not according to His Plan.

  • elkabrikir


    thanks for the brief bio of Harvey Milk. Prior to this discussion, I had never heard of him, therefore, I quickly researched him yesterday. Yes, he was a man who lusted, I mean loved, deeply. His longest “relationship” lasted 6 years. Thereafter he took many lovers. Ah! True love! And, please don’t tell me it takes a law to keep one faithful….although it does take the sacrament of Matrimony.

    I saw the Jonestown connection, too. Jonestown will NEVER leave my memory. Thanks for the letter quotation.

    I noted the camera store vandalism too. It makes me think of the current situation of the DNC HQ in Colorado being vandalized. That was falsely attributed to conservatives too. No retraction or apology has been issued either.

    Milk’s connection with Diane Fienstien is of note too. “Birds of a feather…” (completely off of Milk, note the birds in Obama’a flock: Marxists, many of them. Progressive atheists, the rest.)

    I only trust Jesus and his Church (not individual priests, even). I love the Popes and, if I ever differ from them, I try to figure out where I need change. They are holy.

    Theology of the Body………slowly exploding. I pray that God detonates it soon. We’ll be consumed by the fire of Love at that time.

  • esquiremom

    Great thoughts on this thread.

    I apologize if I am monopolizing the discussion but I am very passionate about the spiritual sattack on our children.

    More food for thought. Compare the following quotes:

    Those in society who are in charge of schools must never forget that the parents have been appointed by God himself as the first and principal educators of their children and that their right is completely inalienable.
    – Pope John Paul II

    The group consisting of mother, father and child is the main educational agency of mankind.
    – Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr


    Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
    – Vladimir Lenin

    Teachers are directed to instruct their pupils… and to awaken in them a sense of their responsibility toward the community of the nation.
    –Bernhard Rust, Nazi Minister of Education, from “Racial Instruction and the National Community,” 1935

    It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.
    – Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany

    Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
    – Joseph Stalin

    “Parent choice’ proceeds from the belief that the purpose of education is to provide individual students with an education. In fact, educating the individual is but a means to the true end of education, which is to create a viable social order to which individuals contribute and by which they are sustained. “Family choice’ is, therefore, basically selfish and anti-social in that it focuses on the “wants’ of a single family rather than the “needs’ of society.
    – Association of California School Administrators

    “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord…”


  • mjwoodwwme

    To truthplease, Why are you even on this website? The Catholic Exchange is orthodox in it’s values and beliefs. This is not a cafeteria Catholic’s website. The Catholic Exchange is obedient to the magisterium. Do you even own a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church? Yes, it is true that being a homosexual is not a sin, as long as you take a vow of chastity. It is the act that is sinful. By accepting this lifestyle, you are also asking all faithful Catholics to accept that pre-marital sex is not a sin as well. Are you aware that the words marriage and matrimony mean “to make a mother”. That is not humanly possible in a homosexual relationship. Yes, God loves all and forgives all, but that does not gives us the right to do what we want, whenever we want, to whoever we want. There are many sick individuals who would claim they were born pedophiles or murderers, should we give them the freedom to do as they please? Should their acts be accepted because they claim God made them that way? No way. Accepting such a sinful and immoral lifestyle is totally disrespectul to God, our Creator. The grace of His love is that he will always forgive us and take us back. We should not take advantage of that by purposely going against His teachings. God bless and save us all!!!

  • To those who who would like to actually learn the truth about same-sex attraction, as well as talking points, please check out Fr. Thomas Loya’s article on the TOB Channel. Also, please check out my articles, in the same channel, under my name under ‘contributors.’

    It is vitally important that we as Catholics become informed on this issue, for we must not waver from the Truth: Those with same-sex attraction are terribly wounded, and to force this ‘lifestyle’ on others, especially children as a mere matter of ‘choice,’ is contrary to what St. Peter calls us to in 1 Pet 3:15, “Always be ready to give a defense of the Truth, with love.”

  • jpublic

    Hello my brothers and sisters.

    You know, I look at what people are blogging and all I see is “I’m right, you’re wrong” arguments.

    I do not understand why people continually persist in shooting down steps we as a people have taken to promote equality and tolerance of our brothers and sisters who are different from us. Do we not understand that people (speaking of orientation) are biologically designed to be straight, gay or bisexual just as they are to be white, black or Asian?

    You can take a straight male and have him sniff the pheromones of a male (without him knowing) and while using an MRI, you can see there is little activity in the realms of the brain that drive us to be sexually attracted to a person but if you have him sniff female pheromones, he would respond. This holds true to gay persons as well. Males will respond biologically to male pheromones if they are homosexual but not to female pheromones. This is science working to explain the way we are wired they way we are.

    We often forget that we are, biologically speaking, nothing more than animals. I often hear arguments that animals don’t have same sex relations but they in fact do. Every species but ours establishes equilibrium with its environment because it’s survival depends on that balance. It could be possible that Mother Nature has naturally selected some of our brothers’ and sisters’ bodies to not procreate in order to bring the human race into balance with our environment but can not eliminate their sex drive. It is possible. Maybe that is God’s plan? We can’t say that it isn’t anymore than we can say it is because none of us are so privileged to know His plan.

    We must also take into account that every book written in our Bible is written by a man. A flawed being and the one book (Gospel of St. Thomas) believed to be the word of Jesus Himself has been called heresy. Our beloved Catholic Church is an institution of man, created by man (a disciple) that has grown from it’s humbled beginnings into its present state. Our beloved church has been wrong so many times in the past while its defense was “the Word of God.” Many scientists were persecuted; men and women were burned at the stake because our church said they were heretics. Historical studies have shown our church has attempted to uphold the institution and not the Communion of man with God in the past and can do so again.

    Our church was hiding behind the Bible and was so horribly wrong and many people died because of it. Our church is still of man and although it is trying it’s best to be correct in all that it does, it will never be. We must just take it on faith that while our church is here to help us, we can find our way to Him by having faith in Him. We must look to Jesus Christ and follow the spirit of His teachings and have faith that we are doing as God has intended. We must also accept science as a tool to understand the world He created rather than a competing ideology. He has given us knowledge and we must not be afraid to use it.

    To say that people who are pedophiles should be given acceptance if homosexuals are to be given the same is ludicrus and blasphemous. People who are homosexual, bisexual and heterosexual that have relations with one another do so with a consenting adult not a minor which minors need to be protected.

    We seem to forget that this acceptance of our fellow man would be the very thing Jesus has said for us to do; to love them and to not judge them and to treat them with dignity and equality. The threat to a family is not what two men or two women do in the privacy of their home. The threat to our families is the hate and contempt and lack of respect for one another. Those things manifest in fighting, cheating, lying, which can ultimately lead to a divorce; the ultimate breakdown of a family and society.

    We keep saying that those who were “cured” are living the true path. We need to understand that the act of having ‘relations’ is not what defines your orientation but rather that it is a result of what you are. What you are is defined by your thought, your attraction. The priesthood may have in the ranks homosexuals and heterosexuals alike and while they have chosen a vow of celibacy, it doesn’t change their orientation. Which brings me to the point that none of us has chosen to be heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual or even asexual. We are biologically designed to be that way. And while we haven’t identified a ‘gay gene’ to date, doesn’t provide enough of an argument to say it doesn’t exist much like we haven’t identified a ‘straight gene’ either. Other evidence has shown that we are biologically predisposed to be attracted to what we are attracted to via chemical reactions in our brains that can be measured and observed (The Kinsey Institute among others has conducted studies of this). None of us chose to be straight, gay or bi but yet we are.

    We must realize that while we should accept everyone for who they are as Jesus would, that acceptance will not harm our families. We must also understand that by teaching our children to be accepting and tolerating of people regardless of how they are different from us will not mean that they will become that which they accept as a trait of another. Sexuality is not contagious. It is biologically hardwired into us. A child meant to be heterosexual will be just that, just like those who are meant to be otherwise.

    Celebrating a man who championed equality for all is the least we can do for he was a peacemaker. We can hide behind our church with fear but that will only lead to division. We can read The Catechism of the Catholic Church but it too was written by man, a flawed creature and the author in no way can say with 100% accuracy that this is what God had in mind for us. Jesus didn’t come to us to advocate a religion. He didn’t come to say we should be Catholics or Jews. He came to us to save us and so that we could have faith in Him, the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

    So as Christians, we should accept our brothers and sisters for who they are regardless of how we feel about them. We should recognize their accomplishments and welcome their friendship and companionship in our society and value their worth as human beings. We should also bestow them the equality they deserve without reservation or hesitation regardless of their faults and show them love. Isn’t that Christ like?

  • sumrbetterthanothers

    @TruthPlease ~ Thank You for being a Voice of Reason in this otherwise Myopic Sounding Board.

    @Terri ~ You are getting a Busy Signal because so many co called “unnatural sufferers of Homo Sexuality” and our Tolerant Brothers & Sisters are tying up the Phone Lines playing Your Same Game in opposition this websites recommendations

    @mwfields ~ Why don’t you do some “Scholarly” research (yes I spelled it correctly~you can use Spell Check or Dictionary.com next time you attempt to spell it if you like). You can start with Wikipedia’s Article on Homosexual Behavior in Animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
    to get a sense that not just Human Beings engage in Acts in Violation of Natural Law but even Natural Animals too.

    @Elkabrikir ~ “I pray that God detonates it soon. We’ll be consumed by the fire of Love at that time.” ??!!

    @Esquiremom & MWFields & Mjwoodwwme ~ Your equating Homosexuals with Murderers & Pedophiles are disgusting and illogical analogies. Your Hate Filled Rhetoric will get you and Our Mutual Society at Large absolutely nowhere accept most likely in to an even larger Social Rift. I am sure that you go to Bed Every Night Happy in Your Self Righteousness.

    Oh! and mjwoodwwme ~ Truthplease and Myself have every Right to foin any website we please and read its Truths/Half Truths and utter Propaganda~ we as yourselves are free to reply as we like and at ad nauseum in some circumstances. I do not recall Catholic Exchange having a questionnaire or Interview process in order to be accepted. WoW! How Tolerant of them! Maybe you should call the Governor on that one too?

  • jpublic

    esquiremom, here is one for you and the quotes. Remember Pope Alexander VI’s greatest deed?

    Papal Bull: Inter Caetera states (1493 AD): “Among other works well pleasing to the Divine Majesty and cherished of our heart, this assuredly ranks highest, that in our times especially the Catholic faith and the Christian religion be exalted and be everywhere increased and spread, that the health of souls be cared for and that barbarous nations be overthrown and brought to the faith itself. …we (the Papacy) command you (Spain) … to instruct the aforesaid inhabitants and residents and dwellers therein in the Catholic faith, and train them in good morals.”

    Your mentioning of Nazi and Stalin’s quotes is no different than this Papal Bull.

    This decree sanctioned, by “God’s Church,” the colonization of the world and decimation of hundreds of thousands of native peoples for their precious metals and enslaved many more for generations to come. Our church did this… so lets not forget that.

  • sumrbetterthanothers

    Thank You jpublic

  • miserenobis


    I would encourage you to look to paragraph of the Catechism immediately following your citation:

    “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.”

    Catechism of Catholic Church, paragraph 2357

  • gaycatholic

    I can proudly say that God made me who I am, a GAY CATHOLIC. To look upon gays with disdain is the same as looking at what God created with disdain and disapproval. My love for another man is no different from a man’s love for a woman. God wired me to love a man and I shall proudly do so. I am in a committed loving relationship and have been for 4 1/2 years.

    In regards to the Harvey Milk Day, I will call Gov. Arnold and tell him I proudly support this bill to honor a man who stood up for basic civil rights for all.

  • pcm90805

    Thank you all for the dialogue, especially the voices of the compassionate. Just as children, and those often disenfranchised or those who easily fall prey to subjugation, oppression and violence, there are those in the gay community, (just as there are those in the straight community) who seek to find their voice and presence before one another and God, who seek protection from a world (which is both gay and straight, Catholic and non-religious) which does not validate their worth as loving individuals.

    Were Harvey Milk straight, Asian, Black or Christian and if his worked helped gay individuals become visible and protect them for the discrimination and violence which was (and is) widely popular, then Havey Milk’s life (and death), I think is worth recognizing in the state he helped shape for the equal protection of its citizens. Should a man or woman, gay, Black or atheist in California help protect California Catholics from losing their voice and help end any history of wide-spread discrimination, oppression and violence against Catholics, I think that man or woman’s life would be worth recognizing for equally helping shape the equal protection of its citizens as well.

  • ladybugmagic

    I would love to celebrate Harvey Milk Day. It would be a day I would be proud to be a Californian, where we pave the way for equality.

  • galileogalilei

    While the Catholic Church should be applauded for embracing 21st century technology, the fact that it continues to spout 12th century ideals is nothing short of an embarrassment.

    The Church and its followers must come to realize that, first and foremost, that the separation of church and state must always be adhered to. Though members within the Church may continue to (falsely) believe what they will against members of the LGBT community, they must not, in any way, infringe upon the rights of individuals. The lessons of the Salem Witch Trials teach us that it is not the place of this country to legislate morality.

    Secondly, as noted, it is a great embarrassment that the Catholic Church continues to preach against homosexuality while the American Psychology Association instructs that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. It simply is, and should be accepted as such. We of the LGBT community are an oppressed minority, repressed by the same myopic vision that condemned Galileo five hundred years ago.

    Lastly, the Church is not in a place to take the moral high ground when it regularly confuses homosexuality with pedophilia, condemning those priests who simply are gay while pardoning those priests who molest young children.

    In short, the Church must back down, or suffer the consequence of seeing its congregation diminish due to its irrelevant message of hatred and ignorance.

  • charlesgerhard

    Let me add a few comments to the list:

    God created my gay brother. He and his partner have been in a loving and caring relationship for over 20 years. At first, my brother considered becoming a priest because that was the only profession a gay man could enter without criticism. But, instead, he chose to live his live as God intended — as an openly gay man. By the way, his committed relation has lasted more than most heterosexual marriages.

    How has this brother’s gay relationship affected me and my two other brothers? You decide. I just celebrated my 25th anniversary with my first and only wife. My other brothers have celebrated their 28th and 31st anniversaries with their respective first and only wives. His gayness has not affected any marriage of any person I know.

    Before we Catholics start bashing gay relationships, we should look at how the Church handles heterosexual relationships. It allows people who have been living together without benefit of marriage to get married in the Church. It allows for divorce. It allows for multiple marriages. It allows couples who have been married many years and with many children to have annulments — essentially saying that the marriage never happened.

    How does the Church deal with gays and lesbians? It says, through its Catechism, that being gay is normal, that we should tolerate them, and that God created them like all other human beings. But the Church’s actions are different from its teachings. The Church allows heterosexuals to participate in loving relationships called marriage; gays and lesbians must remain celibate. How does that make sense?

    Finally, consider what Jesus would do. Jesus would welcome gays and lesbians into his ministry. You might think that would never happen, but he did welcome sinners. Why not gays and lesbians?

  • jpckcmo

    May I just post a comment in support of the LGBT community that have lent their voices to this issue. I have never seen such a response on this site–most comments are intolerant, self-assured and (as someone else said) myopic opinions, although cloaked in scriptural language. Their very assuredness makes their opinions suspect. A large dose of doubt would make them more credible. You will prevail, and there are many of us in the straight community who are with you!

  • elkabrikir

    Dear Friends, you are not your behavior, whoever you are. You are a child of God who has the dignity of a human being.

    I am with you, too, as you journey toward God. Please prayerfully consider reading Pope John Paul II’s thoughts on Theology of the Body. http://www.theologyofthebody.net/

    I will pray for us all…

    “St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray. And do you, O prince of the heavenly host, cast into hell satan and all his evil spirits who prowl about the earth seeking the ruin of souls.”

    Mother Church and her saints have always wanted us to explode with love and consume the earth in the fire of God’s passion.

    Please love the children. Leave them out of mature adult concerns. Thank you.

  • sumrbetterthanothers

    @elkabrikir thanks for your elaboration
    I am not familiar with The Theology of The Body although during my time in the Seminary College I knew some that were…

    I’ll take a look as I like to be familiar with both sides of the coin.

  • rakeys

    Woah! Lots of anger out there! The initial discussion was whether the gay lifestyle should be presented to grade school students, even kindergarteners, as OK. If the homosexual, transgender, and bisexual attraction is intrinsic, and a person can do nothing to initiate it or diminish it, why do we even need to present it to grade school children? Either these kids are homosexual or not.
    The gay community wants us to accept their behavior as OK, and consider us intolerant if we say it is not. That itself is intolerant of my beliefs. Having a homosexual inclination is not a sin, just performing sexual acts. I may have an inclination to steal, but that is not OK. I may have the desire to have a slave, but that is not OK. I may have a the inclination to have sex with a minor, but that is not OK.
    If a man with a homosexual inclination wants to have sex with a man, why do I have to know about it. Just do it. You want my approval. I love you, but not your homosexual acts. If a preacher say that homosexual acts go against the natural law and God’s design, and is therfor sinful, why do you want to put him in jail? Your action of putting him in jail tells the preacher that he has done something wrong. How can you say anyone has done something wrong, if we cannot say you have done something wrong?
    Judge not lest ye be judged is in itself a judgment. Saying someone is intolerant is in itself intolerant! Saying There is no absolute truth is in itself saying an absolute truth.
    We all have burdens to bear. Why make me accept your behavior, and violate my conscience?

  • sumrbetterthanothers

    @ rakeys
    The anger comes from the fact that We as Homosexuals have been ostracized for far too long by Large swath of Society which expects us to be be chaste and abide by this whole illogical love the sinner but not the sin….when WE do not consider having a Natural sexual inclination to be a SIN.

    Whether or not the Schools will present gay lifestyles to grade school students remains to be seen….That will be up to Individual School Districts and Schools….however your question as to why it should be presented to grade school children is so they do not continue to grow up with YOUR Belief system that continues to shun an entire segment of society and if that student IS intrinsically Gay then why should he/she be subject to taunting and made to feel bad or wrong because they feel “odd” or worse yet slandered..or beaten or rejected by family/friends.

    You state that we will be violating your conscience…we homosexuals have been violated by certain Christian Principles for far too long while you continue to look away from the Huge Problem within Our Church… “All The Burdens to Bear?!”? …. PLEASE Rakeys spare me your fiddle of your own self inflicted misery.

  • esquiremom

    To sumrbetterthanothers

    I really don’t want to have to state the obvious but sexual relations between a husband and wife are NOT the same as a homosexual act. The natural complimentarity of the uncontracepted marital embrace is unitive and procreative in a life-giving way that homosexual relations can never be as a matter of biological, spiritual, and physical fact. This is not hateful, not morally superior, just fact.

  • esquiremom

    To jpublic:

    To my knowledge, the scientific community has not proven a “biological gay”anything. All you reference is pheromones. Doesn’t that relate to attraction? Is this something that can be conditioned or triggered by environmental factors, perhaps even xenoestrogens present in the environment at the early stages of Life?

    The APA’s latest pamphlet de-emphasizes a biological component in favor of the patient’s right to self-determination.

    You mention the Kinsey Institute. Did you know that as part of his research, he had pedophiles keep records of children’s reactions to sexual stimuli – children as young as two years old? His research has been thoroughly discredited by Dr. Judith Reisman.

    Current medical research indicates that the “sex within marriage” moral code is also the healthiest. Shouldn’t we advise that homosexual behavior and/or promiscuous sexual behavior results in greater risks of HIV/Aids, stds, cervical cancer, anal cancers, throat cancers, and that homosexual men have a shorter life expectancy?

    As for the Papal bull, I do not believe that teaching people about Christ’s love and saving grace for their perpetual salvation, which can be freely rejected, equates with an atheistic regimes’ mandatory propaganda disguised as education of children for the State’s purposes against the faith of the family.
    Christ commanded his apostles to “go therefore and teach all nations all that I have commanded you…” and this is supposed to be done in the spirit of love. Sure there are and were bad people in the Church, but more people have died under atheistic/totalitarian regimes than ever did in the name of the Church. In my humble opinion, the Church would not have survived more than 2000 years without the guidance and blessings of the Holy Spirit. Christ tells us “I will be with you always until the end of the age…”

    Blessings to you and yours and thanks for a vigorous debate!

  • esquiremom

    Ah, the Devil is alive and well in CE land.

    The UNSPOKEN ASSUMPTON in many of the posts is that if you are against homosexuality, you are hateful, judgmental, and/or ill-informed.

    Let me start by saying this: Disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle on well- intentioned, well researched, and well reasoned religious and/or medical grounds DOES NOT EQUAL (1) judgment, or (2) hatred.

    My faith teaches me to practice chastity and save sex for marriage, a virtue I teach my children. If we fail to live up to that ideal, the Church offers the Sacrament of Reconciliation. We can only live up to this ideal with God’s help.

    Do I condemn those who do not live by that standard? Of course not. Only God can judge your soul.

    But that does not relieve me of my obligation in a loving way to “admonish the sinner” as a Spiritual Work of Mercy. Those whose hearts have been touched by Theology of the Body will not be able to see the world the same way again.

    To reject the Church’s teaching on sexuality, for me, would be to reject Christ himself. And I cannot reject Christ, Whom I love.

    If you believe that I am hate-filled, stupid or judgmental for holding these beliefs, then who is the intolerant one?

    You have the freedom whether or not to listen. You are free to live your life – and we can politely agree to disagree. I hate no one.

    Just keep Harvey Milk out of the school system.

    Here is my response to certain criticisms from other posts:

    1. I never equated homosexuality with murderers or pedophiles. I was challenging the concept of tolerance as a “family value.” My poorly worded point was – at what point does certain behavior become reprehensible such that most people will not tolerate it? Who determines what should be tolerated? The homosexual advocates? The law? Virtue? Faith? God?

    2. My research indicates that at least one publicly funded university published a book that advocated the position that not all adult-child sex is harmful to the child and therefore such acts should not necessarily be criminalized. Should I tolerate this position? Where do we draw the line? Does Harvey Milk’s relationship with Jim Jones cloud this issue even a little?

    3. There is at least one religion (NOT the Catholic Church) that currently advocates harsh penalties for homosexuals. I condemn such penalties. Why aren’t homosexual groups trying to stop these harsh penalties in those other countries? This seems like a more worthwhile cause than trying to institute Harvey Milk Day for school kids.

    4. I note that nobody has responded to the research compiled by the Marriage Project at Rutgers.

    5. I am not aware of any Catholic church today that would condone forcing anyone to become Catholic. Being a Catholic Christian is something you choose by your God-given free will. And you can leave the Church by your own free will without Church sanctions. Not true with all faiths.

    6. Neither the Church nor the Pope is required to adopt a third party’s interpretation of the Bible or the Catechism. The documents speak for themselves together with Church Tradition. Also refer to JPII’s “The Splendor of Truth” and “Faith and Reason.” You are free to reject the Church’s teachings and I am free to assert them as I understand them, subject to correction by my Bishop.

    7. Any past crimes of alleged “forced conversions” from prior centuries are irrelevant to this discussion. Besides, Pope JPII asked for forgiveness of all the sins committed by those in the name of the Church. Can we forgive for the past sins (Galileo, overzealous Crusaders etc) and move on already?

    8. The Church itself cannot sin as she is “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic”, the mystical Bride of Christ. The Pope is infallible when he is speaking ex cathedra, stating Dogma, or on issues of faith and morals. Personally he sins as we all do, both in and out of the Church. I claim no moral superiority for myself.

    Our deepest longing for love can only be satisfied by Christ’s love . Christ saves. Sex outside of marriage does not save anybody.

    For those seeking an alternative to the homosexual lifestyle, See David Morrison’s “Beyond Gay” and http://www.narth.com

    JPII’s Theology of the Body has been life-changing. If you are not afraid to open your HEART to Christ, then pray for Truth and the Truth will set you free. It is not my Truth. Truth is a person and Truth has a name and that name is JESUS!

    Fasting and prayer, now more than ever.
    St.Michael pray for us! For the Sake of His Sorrowful Passion, Have Mercy on Us and On the Whole World.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us! The hour is late …

  • sumrbetterthanothers

    Dear Esquiremom

    I wasn’t equating the act of procreation with any homosexual acts…so your point is? They are both Sexual Acts that are inherent in Humanity.
    Why don’t we get down to the obvious…the 10000 lb Gorilla standing in the middle of the Room… The Thought of any Homosexual Act is really found to be a despicable for no apparent reason other than the fact that it does not include the possible act of procreation. If you want to claim these Natural Acts exhibited in both animals as well as humans as being unnatural…then why don’t we also remove any medicine/pills/surgeries from you and your loved ones Lives because really these are unnatural acts and not allowing Human Life to go down its Natural and intended road…additionally let us also remove any mechanization of the Modern Food Industry in our Modern Day Lives as these are also unnatural and sow havoc in the natural environment….

    The Church has survived for more than 2000 years just as Modern Western Civilization has and just as China has and their Civilization has been around for more than 2000 Years and their core is not even Christian…

    Vigorous Debate indeed…I will continue to Read and Listen with Great Interest and perhaps a Yawn or Two..

  • esquiremom

    Sorry to bore you sumrbetterthanothers.

    Your 1000 lb Gorilla argument is logical. But it is not only the non-procreative nature of the act that is the problem. It’s the sex outside of the sacramental marital union that is a problem as well. It’s just that God has so much more planned for his people that to limit our identity to biological sexual conduct in turn limits our humanity and who we really are as God’s children.

    And yes, I agree with the Church’s position against artifical contraception, in vitro fertilization, and sterlizations. I don’t condemn those who practice these things but I politely explain my reasons why I don’t partake and why I believe it is a moral and healthier alternative.

    It is really quite prejudicial to suggest that the Church is against all science. You really should read some of JPII’s writings.

    The Church is not against Science — only misused science. Without a moral foundation, science can be used for immoral means or ends. For example, what if it becomes okay to clone humans. Do these humans have souls? Does the company have a right to own a patent involving the clones? Wouldn’t they then be property of the corporation that invented the clone? Is this the same as slavery?

    And last I checked, China was run by a totalitarian/Communist regime where people can’t even have more than one child without violating government family policy and women who try are subjected to forced abortions. What’s China’s policy on Harvey Milk Day? For that matter, what’s Iran’s Policy on homosexual relationships, I forget?

    BTW – We do eat locally grown foods as much as possible. They taste better!

  • sumrbetterthanothers


    I never inferred that The Church is against All Science…my statement was suggesting that Modern Science/Medicine/Technology has allowed we as a Human Species to ARTIFICIALLY extend our Lives far beyond what they should have been “naturally” why is this also NOT considered immoral?
    I’ll search out JPII’s writings….

    i.e. The Symbiosis of The Earth is Out of Whack as we Human Beings make a continually larger Ecological Imprint on the Earth
    i.e. Unsustainable Fishing Practices

    “Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come.” Catechism of the Catholic Church ~ JPII 1994

    I’d like to see this website throw their weight behind more notable causes such as these. Rather than the Magnet of Harvey Milk Day & Homosexuality which I am certain seems to get far more Negative Reaction from Catholic members on a whole than other more Urgent and Important Matters. The Imbalance is palpable as is The Hate.
    While you may be more logical in your approach of Love the Sinner Hate the Sin Ideology I would like to remind you that there are also many People (including Catholics) that are not so Gentle and Forgiving and probably far less educated in Church Ideology for that matter. They can be unforgiving vociferous and mean spirited…this continues to lay a groundwork for Hate Mongering in the General Population. This will thus allow for some Homosexuals (In and Out of The Church)to grow up feeling Maladjusted…Wrong & Vilified. The Social Christian and Political Schism that exists in our Nation regarding Socially Liberal Causes will only grow wider.

    Whether or not Harvey Milk Day gets passed remains to be seen…however there seems to be an inference in the Comments on here and I am certain in the General Public @ Large that will believe that Teachers/Schools will be required to tell Children about Homosexual Behavior (i.e. Sex). When there is absolutely nothing in the Bill to suggest anything more than the explanation of Harvey Milk as a Civil Rights Fighter. The hope is that the amount of prejudice and bullying and Violence that goes on can somehow be reduced.

    Let’s not drag this discussion into China and Iran’s Policies…this is completely off base for this particular discussion. Don’t be patronizing with your “I forget?” regarding Iran’s despicable Policies on Homosexuality. I am sure that you are well aware that they are executed often to force the others to stay in “the closet”.

    Enjoy Your Farmers Market!

  • charlesgerhard

    Responding to esquiremom’s comments on practicing chastity and saving sex for marriage. That’s great. Does that mean that homosexual sex is okay in those states anc countries which allow homosexual couples to marry?