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		<title>By: Dr R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Encyclicals are to be studied and respected but THEY ARE NOT INFALLIBLE!!  Papers by the ACOG on NFP are suspect since they advocate for all forms of birth control and abortion. Moreover, Vatican 2 removed procreation as the primary purpose of marriage as this was an outdated human opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encyclicals are to be studied and respected but THEY ARE NOT INFALLIBLE!!  Papers by the ACOG on NFP are suspect since they advocate for all forms of birth control and abortion. Moreover, Vatican 2 removed procreation as the primary purpose of marriage as this was an outdated human opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re wrong, actually. first of all, what makes you think all couples who practice NFP are trying to avoid children?  The science also provides a much -needed answer for those who wish to conceive and previously couldn&#039;t because they didn&#039;t know their cycles.  In other words, the woman didn&#039;t know how her body worked .  
Secondly, you don&#039;t know about NFP if you think it is not successful to postpone pregnancy.  Studies were done in India with several thousand couples participating in study done for WHO (Billings) and the results after 3 years was actually 99.9%  If you don&#039;t read relevant data from proper sources, you will be naturally prejudiced.  By ignorance, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wrong, actually. first of all, what makes you think all couples who practice NFP are trying to avoid children?  The science also provides a much -needed answer for those who wish to conceive and previously couldn&#8217;t because they didn&#8217;t know their cycles.  In other words, the woman didn&#8217;t know how her body worked .<br />
Secondly, you don&#8217;t know about NFP if you think it is not successful to postpone pregnancy.  Studies were done in India with several thousand couples participating in study done for WHO (Billings) and the results after 3 years was actually 99.9%  If you don&#8217;t read relevant data from proper sources, you will be naturally prejudiced.  By ignorance, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have 6 children on free Catholic ed (homeschooling).  The pill absolutely changed the culture of marriage and devastated the natural respect for women. It causes women to be objectified and marriage to become conditional. Contracepting couples seldom stay together and I&#039;ve lived long enough to see a disturbing number of women dying from breast cancer in their 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s (all on the pill,) just in our small community. The veterinarians in the early part of the century experimented with estrogen for cows and rejected it on the grounds it was too dangerous for the animal.  Yet it&#039;s good enough for human female consumption today!  It&#039;s the bread and butter of every GP practice, so don&#039;t go to them for info!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 6 children on free Catholic ed (homeschooling).  The pill absolutely changed the culture of marriage and devastated the natural respect for women. It causes women to be objectified and marriage to become conditional. Contracepting couples seldom stay together and I&#8217;ve lived long enough to see a disturbing number of women dying from breast cancer in their 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s (all on the pill,) just in our small community. The veterinarians in the early part of the century experimented with estrogen for cows and rejected it on the grounds it was too dangerous for the animal.  Yet it&#8217;s good enough for human female consumption today!  It&#8217;s the bread and butter of every GP practice, so don&#8217;t go to them for info!</p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are they going to church? Maybe the churches need to be emptied until the cultural &quot;catholics&quot; are gone and all that is left are genuine Catholics seeking the truth, which is Jesus. If a priest or Bishop is not brave enough to preach the truth in season and out, he isn&#039;t following Jesus&#039; example. without that example we are all doomed to be scattered and devoured by the wolves.... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are they going to church? Maybe the churches need to be emptied until the cultural &#8220;catholics&#8221; are gone and all that is left are genuine Catholics seeking the truth, which is Jesus. If a priest or Bishop is not brave enough to preach the truth in season and out, he isn&#8217;t following Jesus&#8217; example. without that example we are all doomed to be scattered and devoured by the wolves&#8230;. </p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are the popes and Mother Teresa wrong to have promoted NFP?  Obviously alot of different kinds of actions can become sinful if the intention is sinful. That&#039;s why it&#039;s best to let God decide.  If God&#039;s representative on earth, the Pope makes a moral statement, we can take it to the bank, instead of second- guessing it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the popes and Mother Teresa wrong to have promoted NFP?  Obviously alot of different kinds of actions can become sinful if the intention is sinful. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s best to let God decide.  If God&#8217;s representative on earth, the Pope makes a moral statement, we can take it to the bank, instead of second- guessing it. </p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pill has NEVER been 98% effective; even the WHO will not tell you that. where in the world did you get your stats? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pill has NEVER been 98% effective; even the WHO will not tell you that. where in the world did you get your stats? </p>
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		<title>By: GMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all do that comparing at some time, but there is always something that can be done.  Just look at the people (Catholics ) who actually lived during the time of the Roman Empire.  They were more confident of the future than we are and they didn&#039;t have computers!! They knew they couldn&#039;t change the entire culture, they just kept the faith and passed it on to people whose lives they touched. Our Lady doesn&#039;t want us to be gloomy.  We have the victory.  For my little part I fought the culture by homeschooling my kids. That way they get the real scoop on history and particularly current events.  I&#039;m almost done; just 2 to go out of 6.  All are in university, so no damage done or noticeable deprivations! As for NFP my husband and I teach it.  We help heal the culture, one couple at a time:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all do that comparing at some time, but there is always something that can be done.  Just look at the people (Catholics ) who actually lived during the time of the Roman Empire.  They were more confident of the future than we are and they didn&#8217;t have computers!! They knew they couldn&#8217;t change the entire culture, they just kept the faith and passed it on to people whose lives they touched. Our Lady doesn&#8217;t want us to be gloomy.  We have the victory.  For my little part I fought the culture by homeschooling my kids. That way they get the real scoop on history and particularly current events.  I&#8217;m almost done; just 2 to go out of 6.  All are in university, so no damage done or noticeable deprivations! As for NFP my husband and I teach it.  We help heal the culture, one couple at a time:)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayward Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayward Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Humanae Vitae immorally claimed...&quot;

Roma locuta; causa finita est. (Rome has spoken, the matter is settled.)

If Paul VI released an immoral encyclical, then Jesus lied when he said &quot;the gates of hell shall not prevail over [the Church]&quot;, and there is no sense in being Catholic anymore.

This also means that Pius XII issued immoral instructions to the Italian midwives when he told them to instruct married couples in the (then state of the art) rhythm method.

Church acknowledgement of the licitness of NFP goes all the way back to when it was first theorized in the 1850s.

http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt103.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Humanae Vitae immorally claimed&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Roma locuta; causa finita est. (Rome has spoken, the matter is settled.)</p>
<p>If Paul VI released an immoral encyclical, then Jesus lied when he said &#8220;the gates of hell shall not prevail over [the Church]&#8220;, and there is no sense in being Catholic anymore.</p>
<p>This also means that Pius XII issued immoral instructions to the Italian midwives when he told them to instruct married couples in the (then state of the art) rhythm method.</p>
<p>Church acknowledgement of the licitness of NFP goes all the way back to when it was first theorized in the 1850s.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt103.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt103.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: CATHOLIC SENSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CATHOLIC SENSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Additionally, an official clinical study (Am J Obstet Gynecol (1995), May; 172(5): 1567-72), found a definite statistical correlation between the use of NFP practices and a greatlyincreased likelihood of spontaneous abortions occurring in NFP women who had suffered from previous spontaneous abortions (miscarriages).  No other clinical studies, that I know of, have rebutted these findings (also no further clinical studies should be undertaken in this regard because innocent unborn babies may suffer and die, ultimately resulting in immoral spontaneous abortions).  

This 1995 clinical study verifies Casti Connubii&#039;s claim that &quot;any use WHATEVER of MATRIMONY exercised in such away that the act is deliberately FRUSTRATED IN ITS NATURAL POWER TO GENERATE LIFE is an offense against the LAW of God AND OF NATURE.&quot;  Or put more succinctly, this 1995 clinical study verifies that NFP is clearly against the LAW OF NATURE (as warned about in Casti Connubii) because this immoral practice has the ability to kill innocent unborn babies through unnecessary miscarriages.  Further, it can be extrapolated that if NFP can cause miscarriages in some situations, in may also cause serious health problems in NFP babies that survive birth; namely birth defects, handicaps, genetic defects, and general health problems.

Therefore, based on Casti Connubii, the only morally licit use of NFP is REVERSE NFP where women find the most fertilepoint of their cycle in order to ensure healthy healthy ovums (eggs) that will more likely result in healthy robust human embryos when those eggs become fertilized and, ultimately, more likely healthy children when they are born.  However, the use of NFP to deliberately prevent pregnancy, I believe,
would be analogous to the hypothetical situation where a farmer purposefully sows seeds in a field in which the crops had never been rotated.  Obviously, by not rotating the crops, the nutrient rich soil would have been depleted, resulting in a disastrous harvest of sickly, unhealthy and withered crops; or no crops at all.  Obviously, both circumstances are against
the NATURAL LAW due to the possible negative consequences that could result.

Based on the morally sensible, Casti Connubbi, then, if married couples want to get to heaven, they should attempt
to have as many children as they can, unless necessity dictates, otherwise; such as the health of women and financial burdens.  If these necessities do arise, Casti Connubbi only allows for married couples to space children out through PURE CONTINENCE.  You should also pray for grace from God and
even fast if possibly in order to practice SUCCESSFUL, PURE CONTINENCE under those trying circumstances.  Remember, Jesus never said following Him would be easy; instead, He said; &quot;TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, an official clinical study (Am J Obstet Gynecol (1995), May; 172(5): 1567-72), found a definite statistical correlation between the use of NFP practices and a greatlyincreased likelihood of spontaneous abortions occurring in NFP women who had suffered from previous spontaneous abortions (miscarriages).  No other clinical studies, that I know of, have rebutted these findings (also no further clinical studies should be undertaken in this regard because innocent unborn babies may suffer and die, ultimately resulting in immoral spontaneous abortions).  </p>
<p>This 1995 clinical study verifies Casti Connubii&#8217;s claim that &#8220;any use WHATEVER of MATRIMONY exercised in such away that the act is deliberately FRUSTRATED IN ITS NATURAL POWER TO GENERATE LIFE is an offense against the LAW of God AND OF NATURE.&#8221;  Or put more succinctly, this 1995 clinical study verifies that NFP is clearly against the LAW OF NATURE (as warned about in Casti Connubii) because this immoral practice has the ability to kill innocent unborn babies through unnecessary miscarriages.  Further, it can be extrapolated that if NFP can cause miscarriages in some situations, in may also cause serious health problems in NFP babies that survive birth; namely birth defects, handicaps, genetic defects, and general health problems.</p>
<p>Therefore, based on Casti Connubii, the only morally licit use of NFP is REVERSE NFP where women find the most fertilepoint of their cycle in order to ensure healthy healthy ovums (eggs) that will more likely result in healthy robust human embryos when those eggs become fertilized and, ultimately, more likely healthy children when they are born.  However, the use of NFP to deliberately prevent pregnancy, I believe,<br />
would be analogous to the hypothetical situation where a farmer purposefully sows seeds in a field in which the crops had never been rotated.  Obviously, by not rotating the crops, the nutrient rich soil would have been depleted, resulting in a disastrous harvest of sickly, unhealthy and withered crops; or no crops at all.  Obviously, both circumstances are against<br />
the NATURAL LAW due to the possible negative consequences that could result.</p>
<p>Based on the morally sensible, Casti Connubbi, then, if married couples want to get to heaven, they should attempt<br />
to have as many children as they can, unless necessity dictates, otherwise; such as the health of women and financial burdens.  If these necessities do arise, Casti Connubbi only allows for married couples to space children out through PURE CONTINENCE.  You should also pray for grace from God and<br />
even fast if possibly in order to practice SUCCESSFUL, PURE CONTINENCE under those trying circumstances.  Remember, Jesus never said following Him would be easy; instead, He said; &#8220;TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CATHOLIC SENSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CATHOLIC SENSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sorry, but the use of Natural Family Planning (NFP) methods are as equally immoral (grave sin) as using artificial birth control methods; because the OBVIOUS INTENT of the involved couples, in both cases, is to DELIBERATELY INTEND TO AVOID HAVING CHILDREN.  In fact, NFP is marketed as being more effective (98.6 percent) than most artificial birth control methods, including the birth control pill, in preventing pregnancy.




According, to the still authoritative 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubii, the primary purpose of the marital union is always to be procreation (intent to have children) and the secondary purpose, the conjugal act.  However, with both Natural Family Planning and artificial birth control methods, the OBVIOUS INTENT of all couples involved with these immoral practices, is to avoid having children while enjoying the evil fruits of the illicit (under these selfish circumstances) conjugal act, with all the abhorrent negative consequences.  According to page 17 of Humanae Vitae, these abhorrent negative consequences (Humanae Vitae only applied these negative consequences to artificial birth control methods, but should have also applied them to NFP) of &quot;SEX WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES,&quot; include the lowering of the moral standards of couples; the men using their wives as sex objects; and building a false sense of autonomy from God.  For these reasons, Humanae Vitae immorally claimed it was licit for Catholic couples to to use Natural Family Planning methods to space children out; and stood in direct contradiction to the 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubbii, on this subject.  In fact, Natural Family Planning should be correctly styled, &quot;NATURAL CONTRACEPTION,&quot; since it is so effective (99.6 percent) in preventing pregnancy (more effective than most forms of artificial birth control methods). 




The only real moral option for spacing children out for married couples is to use PURE CONTINENCE (i.e., COMPLETE abstinence from the marital union), as explicitly approved in the 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubii, at Paragraph 53, as being the only licit means, throughout the history of the Church, to space children out in cases of necessity (e.g., health of women; financial reasons; etc.).  In fact, Joseph and Mary had to practice complete continence throughout their whole marriage to protect the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.




Moreover, Casti Connubii, at Paragraph 56, states;  &quot;[A]ny use WHATEVER of MATRIMONY exercised in such a way that the act is DELIBERATELY FRUSTRATED IN ITS NATURAL POWER TO GENERATE LIFE is an offense against the LAW OF GOD AND OF NATURE, and those who indulge in such are branded with the GUILT OF GRAVE SIN (emphasis added).&quot;  Clearly, the use of NFP seeks to frustrate the natural power to generate life by having NFP women discover when they are the least fertile (i.e, post-ovulation) in order to prevent pregnancy.  Instead, as correctly and morally approved by Casti Connubbi and as necessity dictates, married couples should only engage in PURE CONTINENCE in order to space out children; AND WHEN THEY DO ENGAGE IN THE MARITAL UNION THEY SHOULD HAVE THE CLEAR AND OBVIOUS INTENT TO POSSIBLY BRING ABOUT PREGNANCIES AND THE  BLESSED CHILDREN THAT COULD RESULT, THEREFROM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but the use of Natural Family Planning (NFP) methods are as equally immoral (grave sin) as using artificial birth control methods; because the OBVIOUS INTENT of the involved couples, in both cases, is to DELIBERATELY INTEND TO AVOID HAVING CHILDREN.  In fact, NFP is marketed as being more effective (98.6 percent) than most artificial birth control methods, including the birth control pill, in preventing pregnancy.</p>
<p>According, to the still authoritative 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubii, the primary purpose of the marital union is always to be procreation (intent to have children) and the secondary purpose, the conjugal act.  However, with both Natural Family Planning and artificial birth control methods, the OBVIOUS INTENT of all couples involved with these immoral practices, is to avoid having children while enjoying the evil fruits of the illicit (under these selfish circumstances) conjugal act, with all the abhorrent negative consequences.  According to page 17 of Humanae Vitae, these abhorrent negative consequences (Humanae Vitae only applied these negative consequences to artificial birth control methods, but should have also applied them to NFP) of &#8220;SEX WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES,&#8221; include the lowering of the moral standards of couples; the men using their wives as sex objects; and building a false sense of autonomy from God.  For these reasons, Humanae Vitae immorally claimed it was licit for Catholic couples to to use Natural Family Planning methods to space children out; and stood in direct contradiction to the 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubbii, on this subject.  In fact, Natural Family Planning should be correctly styled, &#8220;NATURAL CONTRACEPTION,&#8221; since it is so effective (99.6 percent) in preventing pregnancy (more effective than most forms of artificial birth control methods). </p>
<p>The only real moral option for spacing children out for married couples is to use PURE CONTINENCE (i.e., COMPLETE abstinence from the marital union), as explicitly approved in the 1930 encyclical, Casti Connubii, at Paragraph 53, as being the only licit means, throughout the history of the Church, to space children out in cases of necessity (e.g., health of women; financial reasons; etc.).  In fact, Joseph and Mary had to practice complete continence throughout their whole marriage to protect the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.</p>
<p>Moreover, Casti Connubii, at Paragraph 56, states;  &#8220;[A]ny use WHATEVER of MATRIMONY exercised in such a way that the act is DELIBERATELY FRUSTRATED IN ITS NATURAL POWER TO GENERATE LIFE is an offense against the LAW OF GOD AND OF NATURE, and those who indulge in such are branded with the GUILT OF GRAVE SIN (emphasis added).&#8221;  Clearly, the use of NFP seeks to frustrate the natural power to generate life by having NFP women discover when they are the least fertile (i.e, post-ovulation) in order to prevent pregnancy.  Instead, as correctly and morally approved by Casti Connubbi and as necessity dictates, married couples should only engage in PURE CONTINENCE in order to space out children; AND WHEN THEY DO ENGAGE IN THE MARITAL UNION THEY SHOULD HAVE THE CLEAR AND OBVIOUS INTENT TO POSSIBLY BRING ABOUT PREGNANCIES AND THE  BLESSED CHILDREN THAT COULD RESULT, THEREFROM.</p>
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