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Dwija Borobia

Why are homeschooled kids so annoying?

by Dwija Borobia on April 22, 2012 · 386 comments

About a year ago, when I first started considering taking my kids out of public school, I wasn’t met with the kind of incredulous questioning that I expected after suggesting something so reckless and foolhardy.  For the most part people were excited and supportive and helpful.  Many thought we were already homeschooling, in fact.  What surprised me most though is that folks who were concerned about the prudence of such a decision weren’t worried that my children might not learn enough or the the right things.  They didn’t wonder how my kids would know how to be quiet when they were supposed to or to wait in lines when they have to.

No, the biggest concern among the concerned was: SOCIALIZATION.  Ahhhh!  Socialize those kids!  Learnin’, schmlearning- those kids need to be among herds of other kids their exact age in order to learn how to be normal.  In other words: homeschooled kids are annoying and weird, and you don’t want your kids to be annoying and weird, do you?

Annoying and weird.

Well, if someone tries to tell you that their kids are never annoying, they’re lying to you.  And if someone else tries to tell you that any child of mine isn’t going to be at least a little weird no matter how they’re educated, they’ve lost their minds.

But I digress.

Why is this perception of the weirdo homeschooler so pervasive?  Why is it that despite the clear academic achievement of most homeschooled students, the fear of them “acting like that one weirdo guy I knew when I was a kid” is enough to turn otherwise supportive folks against the idea?  I’ve thought about it a lot and the best explanation I can come up with is this: ridicule.

See, everyone is born with a certain temperament.  Parents of more than one will all attest to this.  Same parents, same environment, same rules….completely different reactions from their children.  And some kids- well, some kids are annoying.  And what do I mean by “annoying”?  I mean what people mean when they say that homeschooled kids are annoying.  I mean kids who ask too many questions and know too much information and like certain stuff and refuse to like other things and don’t care what other people think about their silly hobbies and their know-it-all-ness.

When “annoying” kids like this go to a traditional school, they’re ridiculed.  They have a hard, or even impossible, time finding their niche.  They must either hide their true personality and inclinations in order to be accepted or they’re pushed to the fringes and made to feel abnormal.  Not good enough.  Made to feel less likable than those who keep their ideas and opinions to themselves or fail to form any to begin with.  Made to feel that convictions and fascinations are stupid and that pop culture is the only culture.  Not because “normal” kids are mean.  They mostly don’t even know they’re doing it, I assure you.  They just don’t know what to do with someone who’s so, like, weird.  Ya know?

I know.  I was one of those weird kids.

My eldest daughter knows.  She is one of those weird kids.

But when one of those “annoying” kids is homeschooled, no one makes fun of their outfits that don’t match.  Or the fact that they like to memorize things and wish the math assignments were harder.  No one looks at them askance when they know every answer to every question and are eager to share their knowledge.  When an annoying kid like that finds a new hobby and wants to learn everything they can about it and talk about it incessantly, no one treats them like there’s something wrong with pursuing an interest like that, no matter how dull it may seem to the other members of the homeschool classroom.  They are not ridiculed into trying to be who God didn’t create them to be.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U3STFS6CMD3ANX7CXSRTMQSBNA Lisa

    I can see what you are saying in this article, and I guess today “weird” can apply to kids who are respectful, obedient, interested in a wide variety of things, helpful, kind, don’t swear, are service oriented, humble, etc.   As a homeschool veteran of kids ages 18 on down to baby,I have seen a lot of kids who are not just cutely annoying and precocious but have solidly moved into the disrespectful and rude range.  I think sometimes homeschoolers are tempted to be militantly weird in order to stand out and thumb their noses at nay-sayers…or to be identified with the homeschool community. Good parenting and God’s grace is the key to virtuous, intelligent kids whether or not you homeschool.  The truth of homeschooling is that you have more time with your kids to work with them…to guide and instruct them.  It maximizes good parenting…and unfortunately, it also maximizes and reinforces bad parenting as well.  It’s not easy to be a parent these days.

  • Sara Lee

    I can see where your argument comes from but then again the numbers speak for themselves. Children that are home schooled tend to be smarter somehow. I mean, it seems like the homeschooling is working in that area.

  • Sara Lee

    As far as home schooled kids being weird (i.e. not like the others), I would say that isn’t that one of the goals of home schooling? It’s not something to be ashamed of. You want your children to be different than the average child. You want them to be of a better moral character or smarter. That’s why you home school. You feel that they will receive something in the home environment that they won’t receive at school. You don’t want them to be like the kids you see in public school with their drugs and their hooking up. It’s a good thing if they’re considered weird.

  • chaco

    Sometimes, when I’m feeling overwhelmed with keeping all of life’s variables in a managable order, I go to Jesus’ telling; “All law comes from 2 Great Laws; Love God & Love Neighbor.”  In a similar fashion, I see this whole debate boiling down to 1 FOUNDATIONAL PREMISE; SUBSIDIARITY. In the same way that centuries of devotion to Truth & reason (Holy Mother Church) has taught that governments should be submissive to the LOCAL RULE (subsidiarity / “Govt. of the people – For the people”), education of the young & vulnerable should be guided / governed mainly by those who hold them dearest; parents who see them as “Flesh of my flesh & Heart of my Heart”. Such “Governors”(parents) will never allow destructive ridicule or squelching of individualism. I gained this insight from a father of 18; “The main thing a parent has to do is teach kids how to work.”  That, along with giving them a sense of security & enough time / freedom to realize what they love to work at is the “Secret Recipe”. Oh ! and 1 more pointer in regard to socializing skills; the lady who was assigned to teach president’s children manners (sorry, forgot her name) said that it all boils down to “How do I make you feel special ?” (Blessing & Praise are synonomous). Oh ! And keep them away from addictions ie; sexitizing of children by Federally controlled schools.  OK, now you have all the answers from “The Annoying Know-it-all”. 

  • Lia’s Mom

    Why you find it hard to imagine is that you have a very narrow minded view of homeschooling. Homeschool parents don’t only rely on their own abilities to teach their children. There are home-school co-ops where parents share their talents with others. One parent may be a whiz at math and another a whiz at English so they take turns teaching each others children. Some homeschooling parents hire tutors or even send there children to the junior college.
    I failed high school Algebra and because I failed it I could not take it during summer school. I did not want to take it for another full school year again so I took it from the college. It was a lot more fast paced, there were no stupid questions, the students in the class were there because they wanted to be, etc. I passed the class with an A. I wish I would of taken more college classes because for me it was a lot easier than high school because it was more at my pace than drawn out.

  • Jim

    As a parent of 6 children, some who are homeschooled and some who are in public school, I have learned that the public school system and the catholic school system is very interested in socialization and not so interested in what is needed. Reading writing and math. My wife and I beat our hearts for sending our older two to private and public schools in the 11 and 12th grades. It was a wonderful waste of money on our part and time on the part of our children.
    We found ourselves continuing our home education of our children who were no longer homeschooled because the public school and private did not do their jobs of educating and did a miserable job of socializing. So what it comes to is that even though they both in school my wife and I had to educate them when they came home each day and in some cases reverse educate them.
    Of course now that we have let the ghost out of the bottle it is impossible to convince our 17 and 18 year olds to come back to home school. They are now lost………..

  • A F

     Passionate teachers and AP classes were not our experience in public school … the pressure to conform and be quiet in class created stress, but not the kind that pushed my children to be great. Now we are homeschoolers, and I expect much more of my children academically and socially than our local school ever did.

  • chaco

    Whoa; This topic is ON FIRE ! I’ll bet it’s because it strikes a parenting nerve; “Don’t call my kid weird !”.  It serves as proof that forming little ones should be guided / governed by those who love them most.     Jim, YOUR KIDS AREN”T LOST; Did you know the author of  “Amazing Grace” was really, like the song says, “a wretch” ? Heb. 5: 7;  ”…cries & tears to Him who was able to save Him…”  shows that our parental concerns will not go unheard; Especially when united with the “Longing-Parental YES”  of Our Heavenly Mother that brought Salvation to the World. Console Mama’s Heart (Fatima Peace Plan) and in turn; your Heart will be consoled. ["Rejoice Queen Mother;  Your Son -Our God has gone into the depths of darkness and illumined it with the VICTORY OF DIVINE MERCY. It has penetrated the hardness of our selfish vanity & softened our Hearts into Praise & Thanks for God (who longs to share His Glorious Love with us".)]

  • Pamela Jorrick

    It seems to me that each one of us has our own weirdness. Some are more blatant than others, and some (many) are just squelched into conformity and coloring between the lines at an early age. Just like snowflakes, God made us each unique for a reason. Unfortunately, many people think that one must either completely assimilate at 3 years old or have lifetime misfit status. There are plenty of grey areas where we can maintain and thrive in our individuality and still manage to get along in public.

  • Dawnstiller

    I am the secular left, and I homeschool my kids. That is truly the oddist reason anyone has ever given to justify homeschooling.

  • Dawn S

    “The next time someone asks “What about socialization?!!!” Ask- what do you mean by socialization?” I find this to be the best response because it opens an honest dialogue. Generally people who throw out the “socialization” argument are people who don’t know any homeschoolers and are just repeating what they’ve heard in the media where for some reason this myth pervades. The person making the comment tends to imagine mom sitting at a table all day with her kids, teaching. In this imagined scenario, the kids never get a chance to make friends outside of their siblings. I think we all agree that this is inadequate, which is one of the many reasons that homeschooling parents work so tirelessly to provide such a rich and diverse set of experiences for their students. Homeschooling is all about educating – part of that will always be educating the public at large about what it means ro homeschool.

  • DJ Hesselius

    Rosana: you are spot on about the curriculum mismatch.  This year, one of my children went to a private school full time. Although he’s had Latin for two years, he was doing very poorly in their Latin program. So they switched him to a different book. Voila, instant A+ and without having to do a lick of work!  Neither his low grade nor his high grade were indicative of his abilities, but they spoke volumes to me about curriculum mismatch.  Next year he asked to come home.  Guess what? Due to curriculum mismatch, he will be “behind” in math, but possibly ahead in Latin.

  • Annie

    Thank you for saying it. I have known many people who have done it and they have done fine. I also know lots of people who did it and it was a disaster. Our kid’s Catholic school has had to help kids who were homeschooled and needed to catch up. I know some monks who have had lots of homeschool kids be servers and many had a hard time reading. That doesn’t mean everyone but it has been a problem.

    One more thing. My parish has LOTS of homeschoolers and you can see who they are by the way they dress. That can be a problem like it or not when trying to get a job later in life, My parish also has religious ed but only when my kids are in the Catholic school. So my kids are stuck.

  • guest

    I am a former high school English teacher and loved my time at public school.  I now homeschool my daughters and find myself amazed at their abilities in their studies—not because of genetics (although that would be nice!), but because of my ability to find the time and interests to connect their education to real life.  I am their teacher.  I know their curriculums.  I know what I can hold them  accountable for when approaching an interest, because I have been there since the beginning.  My 4th grader is working on lessons that I gave my 9th grade students in class.  I love high school teachers, especially the passionate ones!  I do wonder about AP courses, but my homeschool experience so far has taught me that anything I feel like I cannot handle, someone else can.  Moms and Dads are amazingly talented with real world experience.  When you are working with your own kids, you do not need all the educational theories needed to handle 120 students a day.  You need passion, patience, and the ability to learn as you go—that’s one of my favorite parts!
    As far as exposure to peer pressure—I used to feel that way too.  I was also a coach and wanted my girls to be mentally and emotionally ‘tough’ like the athletes I trained.  Now I see that the girls are learning how to handle themselves bit by bit.  It IS different, but it’s not coddling.  The girls experience the same stressors, but on a less frequent level.  The biggest difference is that they have me to guide them on appropriate responses rather than relying on the kids on the playground or the poor teacher who is overwhelmed by the 30 little personalities she must deal with everyday.  Our response is quick, positive, and mature–not always the response kids get in the class. 
    All this said, my point is that I was once in your shoes with your same concerns.  It wasn’t until I took the opportunity to homeschool that I could truly make a judgement on what works best.  As for me and my family…we choose homeschool!

  • T

    Actually teachers don’t know the subject best. People who are engaged in actively participating in the subject areas are, so perhaps teachers aren’t the best choice to share this type of specialized knowledge.  Passing an “AP Course” means nothing if you can’t actually apply the knowledge in a useful manner. The term teaching implies the student must adopt a passive role in order to receive “teaching”. Ironically, “learning” requires an active role and the desire of the student. See the difficulty? Public schools offer many programs, but it is in an artificial, institutional setting, which by its very nature, works against self-expression and self-discovery. I’m not sure why exposing children to an unnatural situation, such as being only with children of the same age and geographic location helps them realize there are different types of people in the world. I would think active participation in the whole community would be a much better opportunity for socialization and much more realistic. As for stress, the idea that being in an institutional setting and the type of stress it provides is helpful to anyone astounds me. It is a common,modern problem, but why would you “want” it? I would think the idea would be to avoid it, and an emotionally healthy person would try to combat or eliminate sources of it. 

  • Lynee_Graves

    So sorry to hear your story. But know there are many of us grateful for your story so we don’t do the same thing.

  • Janice

    Thank you for this.  It is the best homeschooling article I have read in a while.  We do not home school and are not able to for several reasons.  My son goes to a Christian school that operates like home school in a classroom (individualized program).  We have been his teachers at home since he was born.  Even though he goes to a school during the day, we keep the learning alive at home as well.  He is the epitome of this quote:  
    “I mean what people mean when they say that homeschooled kids are annoying.  I mean kids who ask too many questions and know too much information and like certain stuff and refuse to like other things and don’t care what other people think about their silly hobbies and their know-it-all-ness.”  
    Thank you for reminding me that my sons “quirks” are a gift and not something to be mainstreamed. Sometimes well-meaning family members tell me that he is a little odd and will not fit in well. But I am glad that he is not the typical video-game, cool kid with an attitude.  I hope my daughter ends up annoying as well! lol I am passing this article along!

  • Mary @ Better Than Eden

    I love this Dwija, thank you!  I think this is probably one of my favorite aspects of homeschooling.  My son has no idea that some things are not ‘cool’ or even how to be self-conscious.  What freedom there is in that!  

  • Shoeatlanta

    Reason our family applies homeschooling is because the teachers of today are more concerned about their wages, their paid days off, and shortening the school day so they can get to the tennis court or golf course sooner. Yea they may have graduated college but I can show you a lot of my classmates that fulfilled their college days and now teach and I would not give you a pound of dog @#*# for them both as an educator or a person.  They beat the kids out of school.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1322861850 Clare Whitten

    I was sort of like that too (meyers-briggs has me introvert/extrovert so I call myself an extrovert wanna be).  I absolutely hated school.  I tried my best.  Used to cry that no one liked me.  I was born in 1969 my mom didn’t know it was an option for us kids.  I would have loved to do science projects with my sister at home instead of the drivel I got in school (where I didn’t learn squat but could take tests in my sleep and therefore got good scholarships and awards).  Never learned how to think and so struggle with teaching my kids to think now as I homeschool them.  Love homeschooling!  My sticky kitchen floor doesn’t, but who cares?  We have wonderful families that are big that we can visit, we live in the country so are really extra free, belong to 4-H.  The world is so open to options of socializing.  I can teach my boy to look someone in the eye when they are speaking to him and say yes and no not yup and nope.  Well, you get the point.  Thanks for the story Rachael!  I will keep teaching my son about following God’s will, not the will of the herd

  • http://sittinginthemoment.wordpress.com/ Jacaranda Mum

    Your article brought tears to my eyes, particularly as I’ve just waved off my husband and 12yo son as they set off for a Cosplay competition, that requires them to get dressed into costumes they’ve spent weeks creating, and perform in front of 100′s of people.  Totally fuelled by my son’s love for a particular video game, a depth of passion that would likely have him ridiculed and ostracised in a school situation.  But instead I saw his face just so lit up with excitement as he prepared to join many others with similar passions – most of whom are adults.  Yes he is different.  And that will make the difference for him in the future.  I am loving watching him unfurl into a young man.  Thank you for writing this article :)

  • Margaret

    Being a former homeschooling parent of 20 years,  (all three of mine have graduated), I was struck by the crutch of “socialization” that seems to be “catch all ” reason against home schooling.  In the book School Can Wait by Dr. Raymond Moore, an entire chapter is devoted to socialization (good and bad) and why the classroom model that is used in modern times has thoroughly failed students.  He goes on to give statistics not only to back up his points but gave logical conclusions between certain classroom practices and the detrimental effects of having children only in a classroom of their peers as opposed to multiple grade levels as in the one room schoolhouse.  Negative peer pressure and  poor self image are just two of the results brought about by being forced to learn in this one age environment. 
    Another reason to homeschool – learning styles.  There are three:  auditory, kenetic and visual.  If the teacher doesn’t teach the way your student learns the best – they are both less effective – the teacher and the student. 
    We were able to pinpoint the primary and secondary learning styes of each of our children and teach them so that their time was spent learning at their optimum level.  With a classroom setting – no teacher has the time to pinpoint that for each student and teach in that style.  It really is a “one size fits all” – not that it really fits all but only about 1/3 of the students in the classroom.
    MANY MANY MANY elite theletes across the country are homeschooled in order for the student athlete to devote the necessary hours to the sport.  Schooling is not neglected in this way but enhanced.  It weeds out all the “wasted” classroom time and puts the emphasis on efficient learning. 
    I will be the first to tell anyone that homeschooling is not for everyone. . . It is only for those willing to sacrifice to see that their students achieve all the necessary skills, (learning and social) to be a productive, honorable, character driven human.

  • Nieciesnack

     Grammashelly08 – Thank you for your *real* statement…when I first told my mom I didn’t get the support I though I would get – merely a “well, if you fail you can always put them back in school” We will be graduating #1 from home school this year.  It was been worth the investment. 

  • Guest

    I would answer comments by acknowledging the fact that all schools are not the same. There are differences in the quantity and quality of teachers, academic programs, and extra-curriculars. I am in no way bashing homeschooling. I just think schools should be analyzed first to see of it meets a student’s and family’s criteria. I don’t think homeschooling should be done just because of an ideology. Not all teachers and schools are alike. People who are engaged in the subjects may know that subject best, but are they able to pass on that knowledge? Now I firmly beleive that non-academic lessons about life, virtue, religion, etc should be taught and learned at home. As far as academics go, if a parent or co-op of parents can teach children at levels they can compete with then okay. But if homeschooled kids are at a disadvantage academically because their parents want to pursue an ideology then I don’t agree with that. As far as stress goes, I’m saying an amount of stress that challenges a person to think and push their minds to new levels is better than keeping them in their comfort zones. Public school is only 7-8 hours a day, there’s plenty of time to teach  your children everything they need to know and guide them in life. At some point all children will be exposed to pain, failure, stress, ridicule, differing personalities but also triumph, success, and joy. Parents can still play signifcant roles in responses to this no matter where children go to school.  

  • Ninacoe

    My daughter is similar to how you describes yourself and your daughter. As a public educator myself I am proud to say that she is a product of public schools, K-12. She was a National Merit Scholar and one of three Valedictorians. She grew wise and mature as she learned to handle comments and be her own person. In college, she lived in the Honors Dorm Freshman year and enjoyed the change from bif fish in a small pond to small fish in a big pond. She has finished college and is in her first year as Library Media Specialist at her old high school. She is a nerd and proud of it and enjoys how “cool” her nerdy students think she is.
    Home schooling does not have to be the answer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=530006346 Maureen Early

    I agree with a lot of things that you’ve said here, T.  I was never homeschooled but participated in a theater group for homeschooled kids in high school (because they didn’t have quite enough people for “The Sound of Music” without me) and had a good experience with them.

    However, I took AP classes in high school and was a very motivated student, and I personally think that AP teachers often teach better than college professors because they are actually trained to teach instead of just trained to do math, chemistry, etc.

  • Ansell222

    I was never sure weather I should homeschool or not, I even critizied my sister for doing so because I told her that she was keeping her child from meeting new people and not able to socialize with others. I found out that I was wrong about that, you can be involved in a lot of out side activities that go through the school system IF YOU WANT, I don’t but, the main reason I didn’t think homeschooling would work for me is because I was scared, having a learning disablity, I didn’t think I would be able to teach my children well enough. Well, my 18 year old just took his ged and passed with higher numbers than another boy that quite school and took it. They were both at the same level in school but one quite school and mine finished early.  I am now teaching a 7 year old and will be teaching a 4 year old,too. The reason my 18 year old took his ged is because my school district would not reconize homeschoolers. So I said the heck with that and let ’18′ graduate early.

  • ddd

    Dwija, I think you’re demonizing those of us who hesitate to homeschool because of social isolation a bit unfairly. My fear of my child’s social ineptitude is not that he will be weird or annoying, convicted or confident – he can be that without homeschool – but that he will be unable to handle crowds of strangers or non-family because he’s not used to them and be unable to converse and empathize with others in real time (intellectually and emotionally) because his experience of the world is so narrow. Co-ops can change that but then you’re not doing strict homeschool but a homeschool co-op. Very different. This world created by God should be neither feared nor loathed just because there are jerks out there as you indicate in your last blog post yet that is the main reason I hear so many parents choose homeschool. If choosing homeschool is not because the parent thinks the child will receive a better education, I really question whether that parent should be the educator. 

  • Lisa

    Annie – how old are these kids who had a hard time reading? My oldest homeschooled daughter is almost nine. Up until about six months or a year ago, she was way “behind” in reading. She’s now easily at grade level and is reading for pleasure quite regularly. She simply wasn’t ready to read yet. I knew kids her age who had a lot of trouble with reading when I was in school, too. Nobody was worrying about it, though, because everyone just assumed the pros would figure it all out. When it’s a homeschooled child, many people assume that the homeschooling is the problem.

  • Charlabeth

    As a creature endowed with a rational mind I consider socialization the condition that enables your children to be in contact with a large number of rational beings. Much better than Mozart or phonics drills.

  • I8ajellybean

     ” Public school is only 7-8 hours a day, there’s plenty of time to
    teach  your children everything they need to know and guide them in
    life.”
    only 7-8hours?!?! of course that does not include the 2-3 hours of homework, 30min (if you are lucky) for meal time, 30 min of bath time, 8 hours of sleep time, 1 hour of morning prep time…let’s see…if we cut out all extra-curricular activities…that leaves how much time in 24 hours to “teach your children everything they need to know?”

  • Judith_arnold

     Another homeschooling member of the secular left chiming in!

  • Judith_arnold

     I don’t have to teach my kids AP classes. I also don’t have to make do with whatever mediocre teacher our public school system assigns to teach that AP class, I can shop around and sign my child up for the best and most competitive AP class available. Clearly you are not aware that there are certified teachers who have made a business of offering classes to homeschoolers. Teachers who are really great at teaching get glowing recommendations and more students. Teachers who are not great go out of that business, instead of getting tenure and sticking around forever. I know for a fact that my kids are getting a much better education at home one-on-one with me than sitting in an overcrowded classroom with an overworked teacher who is focused on bringing up the lowest third for standardized testing. How do I know this? Well, you know those standardized tests……….My kids consistently score at least four years ahead of grade level.

  • Lisa

    “Children are more resilient than we think.” What are you basing this on? The crap I experienced in high school left scars on me for life…and I’m in my 40s (my oldest child, who wasn’t public schooled, graduated last year). Some children bounce back well. Some don’t.

    “Children need to be exposed to these things to develop interests.” My children (8 year old daughter and 6 year old son) have done multi media art classes, pottery classes and dance classes. My daughter is still in ballet. She also takes piano. They both take Tae Kwon Do. They’re learning circus skills. During our homeschool group meetings, they’ve done workshops in science, music, printmaking, and had three visits from a local guy with a small menagerie of small mammals, reptiles, arachnids, etc. (My daughter’s thing is spiders, btw. I also loved them at her age, but I was mercilessly mocked for being “weird”. Her friends just acknowledge it as something she’s really into.) We do regular “field trips” to the local aquarium, zoo and two different science museums. We read a wide variety of fiction. We read non-fiction on a tremendous variety of subjects.

    Homeschooling families can, and do, get outside help in certain areas. If and when my children need advanced schooling in subjects about which I lack knowledge, we’ll go elsewhere.

    And, while I normally don’t comment on spelling errors online, I find it amusing that you’re concerned about whether or not homeschooling parents can teach AP English, but you don’t know how to spell “resilient”.

  • Judy

    My son learned calculus by himself – studying books and watching you tube videos!

  • Judy

    And another thing – children need to be exposed to subjects to develop interests?  I don’t think so.  You can’t make a child learn and you can’t stop a child from learning.  Look at sex.  Who ever teaches kids sex and yet, they certainly develop an interest!

  • Lisa

     In 13 years of public school, I don’t recall ever being challenged or having to think and push my mind to new levels. I was usually bored out of my mind. I was pushed *into* my comfort zone, because I need to take small steps out of it, and the school tried too hard to push me out (not talking about pushing my mind – just my comfort zone). They destroyed my self-confidence and it took over a decade to even begin to build it back up.

    Contrast that with my 8 year old. At a recent workshop on elecricity, the presenter expressed concerns about the age range of our group. The workshop was intended for 7th grade students, and our kids ranged from age 6 to 9 (we have one 11 year old, but she was absent that day). Participation was optional. On the way home, I was talking to my daughter about the workshop and she said the experiments were a lot of fun. I asked her if she understood the underlying concepts that had been discussed. Her response? “Of course, mama – I knew all that already. It was pretty basic.” She was absolutely shocked when I told her it was meant for kids who are four years ahead of her in school.

    Also, “public school is only 7-8 hours a day” is misleading, as there is also homework to consider. When my son went through public school, there was absolutely not “plenty of time” to teach him everything he needed to know.

  • Lisa

     I have to say that I’ve also noticed a few homeschooled kids who are disrespectful and rude, and whose parents don’t seem to notice or care. However, as a mom who straddled public school and the homeschool community for a few years, I have to say that those kids exist in public school, too. There seems to be a percentage of parents who really think their children are too special to ever need correction for anything.

  • timesoftrouble

    Actually it is the home schoolers that are normal. I ask the question “Socialization to what?”The shool kids are immersed in divided subcultures and conform to (or are socialized to) those subcultures. From my vantage point, if I had young children today, I would not want them socialized in those subcultures where there is lack of direction, lack of discipline, lack of moral guidance. The home school kids I have known seem to communicate with young kids and adults alike.  They can actually engage in enthusiastic conversation with an adult. They can actually play with and be affectionate with the little ones. They seem more normal to me, more well-rounded with no attitude.  I think that is the way it is supposed to be.

  • http://fineoldfamly.blogspot.com/ Sally Thomas

    I found that my oldest daughter, who was paralytically shy in the four years she went to school, actually bloomed socially once we removed her from the pressures of that environment. She went on to be heavily involved with children’s theater as a middle-schooler, and to take college classes as a high-school student. She’s now a college freshman, has a large group of very lovely friends, was chosen to be a freshman-orientation leader for next fall . . . in short, she’s fine. She does well academically — which was in fact the greater part of why we decided to homeschool in the first place — and she does well socially.

    Ditto my younger kids, one of whom went to school for a year, and the last two of whom have never been to school at all. They have literally none of the social hang-ups and fears that I had, as a bookish introvert who just wanted people to like me. We don’t do any homeschool co-ops, but we do go to Mass daily, where we see and talk to people;  they’re in Scouts and American Heritage Girls;  we have neighbors whom they know (in fact, the kids know our neighbors far better than I do, because I’m still an introvert, and they like to chat over the fence);  we go to the store, the park, the pool, to other people’s houses . . . They talk to adults and other children. We have family friends with severely disabled children, and my kids talk to and play with them;  we have a huge Hispanic population in our parish, and my Anglo kids have friends in that group, maybe because nobody’s ever told them that different groups sit at different tables in the cafeteria. My 14-year-old is holding his own in a college history class right now — my husband’s a professor, and one of the perks of the job is that his friends will let my kids into their classes — partly because he’s bright, but also because he never got the memo that 14-year-olds don’t have anything to say that 18- 21-year-olds shouldn’t listen to, and vice versa.

    Really, unless you as a parent have no friends and no desire or reason to leave the house, your children will learn to talk to other people. Unless you yourself are an unempathetic jerk who never speaks to anyone and demands silence at the dinner table, you children will learn to converse and empathize because to them that will be the norm. It won’t occur to them that anyone wouldn’t be that way. I think I’m more mindful and purposeful about my own interactions, in fact — say, with the grocery checkout lady — because I realize that even as I’m buying my groceries, I’m also educating my children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diana-Maldonado/100002005700083 Diana Maldonado

    I’ve heard the socialization excuse from people I know as well.  But I always counter that home schooled kids are know are the brightest and most well-behaved children I have ever encountered.  I have nothing but the utmost respect for parents who take on the challenge of homeschooling.  As a grandmother, I see what our tax funded government schools have become:  cesspools of violence, diversity which is a form of discrimination, sex ed, and teaching kids to hate the country that gives them freedom and liberty.

  • Guest

    Clearly I have hit several nerves with this post. Kudos for the person who noticed my spelling error. I come from a Catholic school and public high school experience. I spent 7-8 hours a day in school, stayed after school for a few extra hours to participate in extra-curriculars, had passionate teachers in both schools. I was a ‘wierd’ nerdy kid, but I took that to my advantage. I took 11 APs in high school, and I thank my school for offering them to me. Believe me, I know 7-8 hours of school is misleading (key is get less sleep) because homework would keep me up past midnight and 6 am would come early. My parents did teach me and guide me throughout everything regarding faith and life in general. I am eternally grateful to them- they had plenty of time maybe not explicitly, but implicitly.  I’m not a parent so I don’t know whats its like, but trying to keep kids safe from every external conflict is the answer- helping them get through it is. I don’t regret my public school education and was accepted to a university in the top five- one that prides itself for its ‘wierdness’.  Schools have changed and progressed in the past few decades. Honor programs have been developed in schools so that people who want to learn and excel can. Sorry if I offended anyone here, but I do think school is for academics and homeschooling should be only done if you can provide children with a better education than the public school.

  • MrsF3

    Right on, once again! Homeschooled and taught to explain how I was NOT missing out on any “socialization”–I expected some ridicule in college. Instead, professors eagerly told me how they LOVE homeschoolers and always enjoy their well-developed sense of direction and responsibility. In my major (piano performance), the majority of us were homeschooled! I believe it’s because we discovered what we loved and weren’t too busy trying to keep up with sports and clubs in high school.
    And no one ever asked if I was homeschooled or judged me as weird (annoyingly attached to studying, perhaps), because I actually did know how to socialize!

  • Fred45

    That’s the oddest statement (not “oddist”) coming from a lefty secularist, whose gospel is preached in public institutions and who by nature would not opt for homeshooling. Methinks you are just posing as a homeschooler..besides, you can’t spell.. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/freckleface78 Rachel Sanchez

     There was a boy who failed at public scool math.  He failed at school and drpped out in the 5th grade.  He went home with some books and learned there…  His name was Albert.

    Albert Einstein. 

    You know. the first person that most people think of when asked “Who is the smartest person in the world.” 

    Don’t put down what you don’t understand!

  • http://www.facebook.com/freckleface78 Rachel Sanchez

     There was a boy who failed at public scool math.  He failed at school and drpped out in the 5th grade.  He went home with some books and learned there…  His name was Albert.

    Albert Einstein. 

    You know. the first person that most people think of when asked “Who is the smartest person in the world.” 

    Don’t put down what you don’t understand!

  • Tara

    I nearly cried reading your article…it’s just so…true!
    We are just about to take our kids out of school for homeschooling and the amount of judgement we have recieved has been quite unsettling. You have described the whole ‘socializatio’ argument beautifully and I will be quoting you in the future!!

  • Laurigreenfield

    I absolutely love this!! I have 4 of the “annoying” homeschoolers too. Each is different in their weird ways, and we revel in that. :)

  • Annie

    The boys were in Jr High and High School. Not good.

  • Sweetfairiebug

    I for one am one of the “weird kids” this article speaks of. I have been homeschooled 6 years and so far, I love it! Sure…i may be annoying at time but can a public schooled child learn a song in a day or can they speak Sigh language after watching a video twice…Well I can… Oh..ok here’s a good one…With as much time as I have on my hands…Can a public schooled child write a book in a week…Not even a week 5 days…I CAN!!