Should We Rethink the Way We Are Educating Our Daughters?

by Mary Kochan on January 5, 2008 · 224 comments

Women's minds are just as valuable and just as needful of good education as those of men.  Young women hunger intellectually just as young men do and are just as capable (at least as capable!) of benefitting from full educational opportunities.

That should go without saying, but it had to be said — in fact it has had to be asserted recently, and within living memory of probably the majority of women who will read this, so I am beginning this piece with this assertion in order to forestall some anticipated objection to what follows.

The educational opportunities and career choices available to young women today are amazing — given the history of these things — and not to be taken for granted.  They were fought for and we deserve them.  And those of us who remember that, as well as many too young to do so, are justly suspicious of any hint that we might "roll back the clock."  Therefore, I expect to be suspected and I welcome robust criticism of what I am about to say — but I think we might begin talking and thinking about it anyway.

The current "normal" way we are educating young men and women is pretty much a parallel track going from high school to college (at age 18) to entry into a career (4 or 5 years later).  Marriage is often delayed until this track is completed and the young man and woman are "established" in some field or other.  Once the career is in place all the "mommy track" issues suddenly become pertinent for the woman, should children come along — which is generally considered to be optional, albeit desirable, for what is still a majority (though a shrinking one) of couples.  There doesn't seem to be some kind of "faithful Catholic" exception to this plan, other than the robust objections to artificial birth control.  In other words, even very faithful, spiritually astute Catholic families seem to generally have their boys and girls on this same educational/career track.

I want to question whether this is something we are considering deeply or whether we are just kind of going along with the ride that our society seems to have planned out for our kids' lives.  I especially want to ask if it is wise or prudent to automatically assume that our sons and daughters should be on the same track.  Is there something to consider about our daughters that might give us pause here and prompt a different consideration?

 I submit to you that there is something to consider and to put it very bluntly, it is fertility.  Infertility within the population is a serious problem and becoming worse.  There are many factors — use of "the pill" and diseases caused by sexual immorality are certainly factors — but one thing we do know: all other things being equal, delaying motherhood in a population of women will decrease the number of women who can give birth at all.  Fertility wanes with age and it wanes fast, with increased risk of fetal loss in women over the age of 30.  Yes, 30.  Some women will find that waiting until age 30 to have a child means that they will never have one.  A U.S.-Italian Study — published May, 2002 in Human Reproduction, Europe's leading journal of reproductive medicine — noted that a woman's fertility starts declining as early as her late 20s.  The abstract summarizes the finding like this: "On average, the day-specific probabilities of pregnancy declined with age for women from the late 20s onward, with probabilities of pregnancy twice as high for women aged 19-26 years compared with women aged 35-39 years."

So I am just asking here: How much value really are we placing on our daughters' fertility when we encourage them to plan their lives in such a way that their most fertile years are spent getting an education and starting a career?  Do we really view their fertility as a gift from God to be used – yes, within marriage, but used! — to bring new human beings into this world?  Are we buying into the worldly view of what life is all about and squeezing the gifts of new life that God wants to give us in around the edges after we have filled up most of the space and time with our own materialistic pursuits or visions of secular success?  It's something to consider, don't you think?

  • Guest

    Goral, are you insinuating I am damned because I decided to go to school, work for 5 years, find my husband and get married, and have children a year later? Judge not lest ye be judged.

  • Guest

    It's 'SHAN'.

    What you value is so sad.

    That certainly sounds like you are talking about me.

    You speak about a woman believing there is something wrong with them if they go from their parent's home to their husband's home. I am defending the young women who in your world may feel there is something wrong with them if they do not feel ready for marriage at a young age. And for all the young women who just may want to pursue something else before settling down with a family. Yes, they need to know the possible fertility challenges they may face if they delay the family for too long. But in the end, IT IS UP TO THEM. We do our jobs as parents, and at some point we need to let go and let them live their lives.

     

    Never once have I said only paid work is of value. It is absurd for you to insinuate that. It is also absurd to think that all young girls are called to motherhood, and at a young age. Some just are not.

     

    I don't believe that placing a child in daycare, or school is 'farming out raising a child'. As I said before, I've avoided daycare so far, but I certainly have nothing against it for those who choose that option.

     

    RE: Virtues. Not really sure what you mean by 'my lifestyle'. I suppose you mean the evilness of taking care of my family? If so, then yes. I think all the virtues are covered in some facet of my family life.

    Chastity – Embracing of moral wholesomeness and achieving purity of body and thought through education and betterment.

    Check.

    Temperance – Practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation.

    Check.

    Charity – Generosity.

    Check.

    Diligence – Decisive work ethic.

    Check.

    Patience – Forbearance and endurance through moderation. Resolving conflicts peacefully.

    Check.

    Kindness Pursuit of Charity

    Check.

    Humility – Pursuit of Modesty

    Check.

     

    Marrying young, having babies does not automatically make one virtuous. There are other facets of their lives too.

     

    RE: Fertility:

     

    "Although we noted a decline in female fertility in the late twenties, what we found was a decrease in the probability of becoming pregnant per menstrual cycle, not in the probability of actually achieving a pregnancy," says David Dunson of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in North Carolina.

    A woman aged 28 should take only a month or two longer to become pregnant than a woman aged 23, he says.

    The study was based on 782 healthy couples in the US and Italy. The team found that, if intercourse took place at the peak time for conception and the partners were the same age, women aged 19 to 26 had a 50 per cent chance of pregnancy in any one menstrual cycle. This fell to around 40 per cent for women aged 27 to 34. For women aged 35 to 39, it was less than 30 per cent.

    The research also showed that men's fertility starts to decline from as early as their mid-thirties.

     

    Journal reference: Human Reproduction (vol 17, p 1399)

     

    From those figures, it looks as if it's a 20% drop, not 50. And that is for ages 35-39. That is putting off starting a family for 15 years, assuming the 'optimal' age for starting is 20.

     

    I think that just about covers it.

  • Guest

     Mkochan's statement above:

    "She is supposed to make herself irreplacable to her employer, but perfectly replacable to her own children."

    Exactly, this is invariably what happens. You cannot serve God and mammon. Let's face it there always have been and will be bad mothers. The covalescent homes are full of independent old women who's children are staying away pursuing their dreams.

  • Guest

    When I talk about a babies need — NEED — for its mother, shar, you say that there are women for whom staying home and caring for their baby "is not an option." Fine.  But do you also recognize that there are millions for whom it IS an option but who selfishly, or because they have been misled by worldly propaganda and false values, deprive their babies?  Or do you just not care because what matters is that they made a "choice," not the content of that choice.

  • Guest

    Again Mary… It's 'SHAN'.

     

    Goyal – That is probably true. They may also have residents there who were 'good virtuous Catholic women who persuaded their daughters to not pursue their dreams'. Instilling the idea that a daughter should not bother to pursue higher education because that is not her role does not preclude one from being a bad mother.

     

    Putting a child in preschool or school is not 'depriving' a child.  

  • Guest

    I don't believe that placing a child in daycare, or school is 'farming out raising a child'. As I said before, I've avoided daycare so far, but I certainly have nothing against it for those who choose that option.

    Then honestly, you don't know much about daycare. It may be a necessary evil for some, but an evil it is, nonetheless. For some enlightening reading on the topic, I'd suggest:

    The Daycare Deception by Brian Robertson

    Home-Alone America by Mary Eberstadt

    Your Baby in Daycare by Seyla Vee

  • Guest

    Gosh no, Shan. It's just that your statement jogged my memory of that fictitious (maybe not) inscription. I can assure you that there have been plenty of times that the devil benefited from my words and deeds.

    It's just fascinating to me that a woman (substitute man if you want to) would not give the keys to her new BMW, so that a co-worker might take a joy ride, yet she'd leave the most prescious infant with a near stranger or someone who is so much less willing or capable of giving this helpless life what it most desperately needs.

  • Guest

    Goral – good.  :) Just making sure…

     

    Oh I agree that there are better alternatives to daycare. Ideally for our family, one parent will stay home with the children until they are schoolage. Luckily for us, we have been fortunate to be able to work that out. But I do sympathize with those who just do not have those resources available. 

  • Guest

    Excuse me, Shan, for getting the name wrong.  Thank you very much for clarification of the statistics. However, within the population it still stands that the fertility of the population decreases drastically with age. There is more to consider than simply the day specific odds of conception. The rates of fetal loss increase every year as well. Male fertility declines as well. What I said remains true — for some women delaying marriage and pregnancy for the sake of building a career will mean that they do not have the child or children they would otherwise have had — that God would otherwise have given them.

    I think we have exhausted this and I would like to take the discussion back to the practical points that had started to be discussed earlier in the thread. For those of us who do think that God's gift of fertility and youthful vigor deserves the chance to used while it is at its peak for the purpose of bringing new life into the world, how can we support this?

  • Guest

    Just as well. I think I'm done. :)

    Thank you ladies for a very spirited debate!

  • Guest

    We need to educate our children in the importance and dignity of the vocation of motherhood from an early age.  They must also learn what it means to be a father.  Pray for them and for their future spouses.  Teach them to pray for their future spouses or vocational call.  Explore options to keep student loans to a minimum if used at all.  Make sure that they know that just because they start college right out of high school doesn't mean they must finish in 4 years if a different path opens up. A woman who chooses to "drop out" to get married and become a full time mommy is not a failure and has not wasted the time and money spent on her education.  As grandparents, if it is an option (not all young couples live near parents) we can offer babysitting help for a young parent to take a class or two at a time if that is their desire.  If we are able to help with tuition that should remain an option in the event of an early marriage and parenthood. But we must be careful not to push.  It is perfectly okay  to never get a college degree or even pursue higher education.

    We might also do well to question the "need" for college just what education really means.  

    Instead of spouting statistics about the failure rate of teen marriages, maybe we should be asking why do most teen marriages today fail. What was different in the past?  I strongly suspect that chastity before and in marriage makes the difference.

    We also might consider that our daughters may marry men who are older than they are.  My own daughter is married to a man 15 years her senior (just 5 years younger than myself).

    It really seems that maybe we need to take a few steps back in time.  Plenty of people used to marry straight out of high school and lots of young couples worked their ways through school together.  How did they do it back then?  Maybe we make things too easy on our kids and they expect too much, or maybe we expect too much!  Whatever happened to efficiency apartments or renting a room over the garage? Thrift store furniture and second-hand clothes?

    Momof11

  • Guest

    She is goodness
    Like the Mother
    In the Trinity
    The Daughter and the Mother
    She is goodness,
    Compassion
    Without end and without respite
    The intercession that compassion
    Supports and uplifts.

    This describes our Lady and our Queen, and she provides that which should be emulated by a good Catholic woman. She deserves contemplation and devotion. Through her, women should discern the path to true motherhood. I pray she intercedes for us all in these difficult times.

    In Christ,

    Remember, the Sun is always shining!

  • Guest

    As with any social malady, the problem is muti-tiered, having different implications depending on one's financial foothold. Part of the problem is the profiteers in these life choices. Herein lies a good place to start gaining an understanding on how to correct the flawed message of these blood suckers who proffer that the only way to gain security and peace in this world is through higher education, and that if you can not provide such for your children than you should stop having them, delay them or spend every ounce of flesh and silver you have to give them that education.

    In Christ,

    Remember, the Sun is always shining!

  • Guest

    David, that's a great point.  It kills me to see people who work two jobs so they can save for their children's college education.  It's not worth saving for college if it deprives children from time with their parents.  That has to be the highest priority.  It's also foolish for parents to compromise their own retirement savings in lieu of college savings.

  • Guest

    Claire and other like minded men and women,

    Obviously, Mary brings out some issues that need to be addressed. While we can all give the proper guidance to our own and their friends who see the value of listening to a Catholic perspective, how do we reach the rest of the world that has bought into the notion of materialistic success first and foremost?

    We are living on average until about 70, some well beyond without much need of assistance?  Commercials portray retired men and women skydiving and mountain climbing. Why not chastity loving, HVP free, NFP practicing, college entering 35 year old wise, battle tough mothers of school age children with a husband financially able to support all in loving response to her gift? 

    In Christ,

    Remember, the Sun is always shining!

  • Lucky Mom of 7

    Sorry to be joining so late.

    St. Gianna Molla put her kids in daycare. Google her and read her story. I think that staying home is optimum, but daycare isn’t inherently evil.

    My husband and I started our family when I was 22. I still had a year of college left. That was in 1993. I just finished my degree 6 kids and 14 years later! I don’t have any regrets. Sure, there were plenty of times that I wished I had the best of both worlds, but I know I did the right thing becoming a stay-at-home mom. Now in my mid-30′s, I have plenty of friends who put off having babies to get the careers established and now cannot conceive. It’s tragic. I felt marginalized by other educated women when I was young and staying home with my babies. Educated women had careers after all. Now that my childbearing years are winding down, I’m planning to start on professional projects as my kids get older. I have a family and will one day have satisfying pursuits outside my home as well. Despite all the naysayers (including my own mom) when I was young, I think I did it right.

    Lucky

  • darzaga

    After reading this article and some of the numerous comments, I have to say I’m a bit disgusted with this article and the comments made. Speaking from my own experiences not every woman is called to be a mother and that even includes good faithful Catholic women. There are many paths a woman can follow in life and pigeon holing all”daughters” into the MRS category automatically is dangerous.

    I am 26 years old. I attended a selective private university for my undergradate and graduate coursework and have been in the work force for some time. I just realized recently I am being called to a life of marriage and motherhood. I was never against it, always open to the possibility but never out there actively seeking an MRS degree. My main goal in college was not finding a husband but growing as a person to be the best person I could be. Volunteering, working on service projects, being involved in campus life and doing well in the classroom.

    I did all these things because my Catholic family raised me to be the best person I could be and to always serve others. Maybe it is because we are minorities that my grandparents and parents thought it was of extreme importance that my sister and I go to college, but our family was never absent from our lives during these years. If anything I think our family relationships grew because we were all maturing.

    Going back to the whole marriage and motherhood, all my grandparents got married young and had 4 to 7 kids each. They did not want to see my sister and myself let opportunities they could never dream of pass us by, especially since they’ve seen our cousins get married and have children early. Maybe I am generalizing but from my experience, my Catholic college-educated friends all value family, not necessarily starting their own, but developing and maintaining current relationships within the family. Providing for younger brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews and cousins be it financial or not. Raising children and living in Southern California is extremely expensive. And even with a large extended family assisting with child care and such there are only a finite amount of resources within any family.

    Basically, what I am saying is that we live in a society that does not value families, mothers and children. We need to have family friendly policies in place if women and men want to take off a year of work to care for a new baby and still have a job to come back to like in Sweden. I think if we had policies similar to these in place more people in general and certainly Catholics would have more children.

    Just saying that our daughters need to be educated differently, again I think that is dangerous. What can be done is offer young women opportunities to explore different avenues of career, employment, service, education, marriage and motherhood, whatever. Giving young women positive role models is important to show that there are other ways. Saying that motherhood and education is mutually exclusive is not the right direction, everyone can benefit from CPR, parenting, basic finances type classes.

    The world and the country is changing. The demographics are shifting the workforce is greying and maybe this provides us with an opportunity for flexible work schedules and more split shifts where mothers and older workers can work together to be able to provide for their families.

    On another note, my male friends, whom I have known since attending Catholic high school together, state the only reason they don’t date is because they want to be financially ready before they meet their future wife, basically be able to buy a house and start a family.

  • darzaga

    “The covalescent homes are full of independent old women who’s children are staying away pursuing their dreams.”

    I find this comment a terrible generalization of individuals in convalescent homes. As person who works with older adults, most older individuals who are in homes are they because they are in need of 24/7 care that their family cannot provide for whatever reason or they do not have any family (living or in area). Yes, it is a very sad situation but sometimes their spouses have died or they can no longer care for them, especially if they have dementia or mobility issues.

  • mother of 8 girls

    Ms. Kochan raises a good point, but does not offer any alternatives.  What should a bright, young woman to do? Should she not attend college/university in the hopes of marrying early?  What if it is not her vocation to get married? At what age should she be cognizant of that possibility?  I think it is wise for a young woman to prepare herself for a career that utilizes the gifts God has given her, but keeping in mind that these plans might be put aside for the greater good of raising children in marriage, if that path opens for her.  I think that to do otherwise would be like the parable of the 10 Talents, with the unprepared young woman playing the part of the ungrateful servant who buried his talent in the field…

  • Ahawkins77

    Mary, contrary to your expected dose of critisim here, I applaud you!!!! I am a devout Catholic Stay at home mother of six and have encouraged my children to pray about their vocations, their possible future spouses and children and the path that God is calling them to. It is very difficult to swim against the tide that is our secular society, especially as a parent raising children to know and love God and follow His will for their lives. I’ve raised my three daughters to be true to their desires to be mothers and that if that is Gods call for their lives to be the one who raises them, not a paid daycare service. Yes, I have encouraged them to higher education, but that has always been secondary to what Gods plan is for them, and for women its always motherhood, whether physical or spiritual!

  • Archinop

    I think what is important is to fully support those young women who choose marriage and young motherhood as just as important and worthwhile as that women who desires to further her education.  Truly God supplies the spouse meant for a woman when and where he desires, but I must say that attending a solid Catholic college is a wonderful opportunity for a woman to meet a Catholic, Godly man.  My daughter went to Franciscan University of Steubenville and found a faithful and faith-filled husband plus got her nursing degree.  His major and career will never allow them to have more than the very basics.  She works 2 days a week, gets them medical insurance for their growing family (this July they will have 3 young ones within 3 years of marriage), and helps with a mortgage payment on their very small, modest house.  Bottom line, I guess, is it doesn’t have to be either/or … you can have your degree and be buiding your family while still only 22 or 23 years old.  

  • Anonymous

    There are additional considerations.  I determined to get my college degree because even as a stay at home mom, things happen, and I did not want to be one of those women totally dependent on a man who turned out to be abusive, or have nothing to fall back on if something happened to my husband, etc.  And of course, it allowed me to help contribute to a nest egg for my spouse & I when I did meet my Mr. right.  :-)

  • read

    Keep in mind that those very women who are to raise the next generation need to have an education in order to educate their children.  Education is important for everyone and we must not rely on the government to ensure our children get the education they need. The more you know the better off we all are.

  • mother of 6 girls

    I agree with mother of 8 girls….from mother of 6 girls.