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		<title>By: chaco</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/same-sex-parenting-can-we-honestly-pursue-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-67591</link>
		<dc:creator>chaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to over-simplify. [ I love Jesus&#039; &quot;Boiling Down&quot; &quot; understanding to coming from 2 Laws; &quot;Love God(Truth) &amp; Love neighbor as self&quot;.]  Can this all be boiled down to Consistency &amp; Predictability in the life of a child ?  If so, and if &quot;Field Trials&quot; are more telling than &quot;What&#039;s on paper (mere conjecture)&quot;, I&#039;ve heard of statistics, from countries that have recognized SSA marriages,  that reveal far more dismal results in such arrangements as regards Consistency &amp; predictability. Fidelity &amp; length of committment scores are significantly lower among SSA couples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to over-simplify. [ I love Jesus' "Boiling Down" " understanding to coming from 2 Laws; "Love God(Truth) &amp; Love neighbor as self".]  Can this all be boiled down to Consistency &amp; Predictability in the life of a child ?  If so, and if &#8220;Field Trials&#8221; are more telling than &#8220;What&#8217;s on paper (mere conjecture)&#8221;, I&#8217;ve heard of statistics, from countries that have recognized SSA marriages,  that reveal far more dismal results in such arrangements as regards Consistency &amp; predictability. Fidelity &amp; length of committment scores are significantly lower among SSA couples.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg B, even if the push for gay marriage was successfully fought off, the fact remains that the institution of heterosexual marriage is broken. It requires more than just a &quot;tune up&quot;, it needs to be completely rebuilt, starting with an acknowledgement that marriage is primarily about protecting the rights of children to a loving relationship with both their biological parents. This raises numerous issues about what types of relationships the State should or should not be required to recognize. I would include gay relationships, &quot;heterosexual remarriage&quot;, and the marrying of older people as relationships that the State has no need to acknowledge as marriage.


Those opposed to gay marriage often claim they are concerned about children born into such relationships. It&#039;s an odd claim because anyone can use donor sperm/ova and/or surrogacy to produce children and none of that is dependent on any particular State definition of marriage. I wonder why those supporting a legal bar on gay marriage, devote none of their time pushing for a legal bar on the use of donor sperm/ova and surrogacy? 


If we accept that children have a right to know and have a loving relationship with both their biological parents how is it possible that as a society we allow people to use donor sperm/ova to produce children?


It seems to me those actively opposed to gay marriage have put the cart before the horse. Yes gay marriage is a silly idea, although not as offensive or damaging as heterosexual remarriage. But a more important issue than gay marriage is the use of donor sperm/ova to produce children who will be deliberately prevented from knowing and having a loving relationship with one or both of his/her natural parents.


I get the impression that many of those who oppose gay marriage don&#039;t really do so because of concern for children, I think they just don&#039;t like gays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg B, even if the push for gay marriage was successfully fought off, the fact remains that the institution of heterosexual marriage is broken. It requires more than just a &#8220;tune up&#8221;, it needs to be completely rebuilt, starting with an acknowledgement that marriage is primarily about protecting the rights of children to a loving relationship with both their biological parents. This raises numerous issues about what types of relationships the State should or should not be required to recognize. I would include gay relationships, &#8220;heterosexual remarriage&#8221;, and the marrying of older people as relationships that the State has no need to acknowledge as marriage.</p>
<p>Those opposed to gay marriage often claim they are concerned about children born into such relationships. It&#8217;s an odd claim because anyone can use donor sperm/ova and/or surrogacy to produce children and none of that is dependent on any particular State definition of marriage. I wonder why those supporting a legal bar on gay marriage, devote none of their time pushing for a legal bar on the use of donor sperm/ova and surrogacy? </p>
<p>If we accept that children have a right to know and have a loving relationship with both their biological parents how is it possible that as a society we allow people to use donor sperm/ova to produce children?</p>
<p>It seems to me those actively opposed to gay marriage have put the cart before the horse. Yes gay marriage is a silly idea, although not as offensive or damaging as heterosexual remarriage. But a more important issue than gay marriage is the use of donor sperm/ova to produce children who will be deliberately prevented from knowing and having a loving relationship with one or both of his/her natural parents.</p>
<p>I get the impression that many of those who oppose gay marriage don&#8217;t really do so because of concern for children, I think they just don&#8217;t like gays.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colin, while your point about needing to give marriage a &quot;tune up&quot; is certainly true, are you aware that more than 30 states currently have constitutional bans on same-sex marriage? And then there&#039;s DOMA at the federal level, which I&#039;m sure Mitt Romney&#039;s Justice Department would defend, unlike Obama&#039;s...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin, while your point about needing to give marriage a &#8220;tune up&#8221; is certainly true, are you aware that more than 30 states currently have constitutional bans on same-sex marriage? And then there&#8217;s DOMA at the federal level, which I&#8217;m sure Mitt Romney&#8217;s Justice Department would defend, unlike Obama&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank, 1) Sorry, I&#039;m not following you. Are you claiming that square pegs DO fit into round holes and vice versa? 2) No, obviously, I was not saying that the only way to manifest true love for someone is to make a baby with them. 3) How anyone &quot;feels&quot; is never is absolute indicator of the reality about which they are feeling. There are some adults who have very strong romantic feelings about children. I could ask them how THEY &quot;feel&quot; and it wouldn&#039;t matter. To act on those feelings would be terribly inappropriate. Same thing with homosexuality. Not all that glitters is gold. 4) To substantiate your claim that promiscuity is reduced by marriage, I suppose you&#039;re going to need to offer an agreeable definition of promiscuity first. 5) Sorry, again, the &quot;obsession with sex&quot; comment is unintelligible at this point. Obviously sex is what distinguishes marriage from something like best friendship, or a parent-child bond, etc. So, I&#039;m not following you. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, 1) Sorry, I&#8217;m not following you. Are you claiming that square pegs DO fit into round holes and vice versa? 2) No, obviously, I was not saying that the only way to manifest true love for someone is to make a baby with them. 3) How anyone &#8220;feels&#8221; is never is absolute indicator of the reality about which they are feeling. There are some adults who have very strong romantic feelings about children. I could ask them how THEY &#8220;feel&#8221; and it wouldn&#8217;t matter. To act on those feelings would be terribly inappropriate. Same thing with homosexuality. Not all that glitters is gold. 4) To substantiate your claim that promiscuity is reduced by marriage, I suppose you&#8217;re going to need to offer an agreeable definition of promiscuity first. 5) Sorry, again, the &#8220;obsession with sex&#8221; comment is unintelligible at this point. Obviously sex is what distinguishes marriage from something like best friendship, or a parent-child bond, etc. So, I&#8217;m not following you. </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lozera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lozera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@9463611ec67ecf165844cd82268cc9b8:disqus You say I have a naive view of love and sexuality, but then your next sentence is about square pegs and round holes. Who is thinking like a teen-age boy?


I hope you were not suggesting that the only measure of selfless love is the creation of new life. That would be insulting to the NYC fire fighters who went into the burning towers, to countless soldiers who have died for their buddies, and to every mother who has ever loved her child. 





Instead of telling me that I CAN’T feel a powerful love for my partner, why don’t you ask me if I DO?




Instead of assuming that partners in same-sex marriages are nothing more than “toys” for each other, why don’t you get to know some same-sex couples? You may discover that they are not just assemblages of body parts and that they don’t look upon each other as “toys.”




Your last claim is simply untrue. Marriage does reduce promiscuity. 




And finally, I don’t know where all these obsessions with sex are coming from. I hear them again and again on these sites. Bodies are reduced to sex organs, and people are reduced to objects (toys). 




But wait, I do know. Do you? It starts with a p and ends with a y.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9463611ec67ecf165844cd82268cc9b8:disqus You say I have a naive view of love and sexuality, but then your next sentence is about square pegs and round holes. Who is thinking like a teen-age boy?</p>
<p>I hope you were not suggesting that the only measure of selfless love is the creation of new life. That would be insulting to the NYC fire fighters who went into the burning towers, to countless soldiers who have died for their buddies, and to every mother who has ever loved her child. </p>
<p>Instead of telling me that I CAN’T feel a powerful love for my partner, why don’t you ask me if I DO?</p>
<p>Instead of assuming that partners in same-sex marriages are nothing more than “toys” for each other, why don’t you get to know some same-sex couples? You may discover that they are not just assemblages of body parts and that they don’t look upon each other as “toys.”</p>
<p>Your last claim is simply untrue. Marriage does reduce promiscuity. </p>
<p>And finally, I don’t know where all these obsessions with sex are coming from. I hear them again and again on these sites. Bodies are reduced to sex organs, and people are reduced to objects (toys). </p>
<p>But wait, I do know. Do you? It starts with a p and ends with a y.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The battle against gay marriage has been lost. The institution of marriage is broken and was long before the issue of gay marriage was topical. The quicker we accept the obvious the quicker we can work to reclaim marriage as God had planned it -- An institution primarily for children and their welfare. But to do that we&#039;ll have to rid ourselves of our present hypocrisy which accepts remarriage and the deliberate separation of children from one or both of their biological parents as if God would too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battle against gay marriage has been lost. The institution of marriage is broken and was long before the issue of gay marriage was topical. The quicker we accept the obvious the quicker we can work to reclaim marriage as God had planned it &#8212; An institution primarily for children and their welfare. But to do that we&#8217;ll have to rid ourselves of our present hypocrisy which accepts remarriage and the deliberate separation of children from one or both of their biological parents as if God would too.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank, you seem to have an awfully naive view of love and sexuality. Let&#039;s start with the fact that a square peg does not fit into a round hole. Or, in this case, more precisely, a peg does fit into another peg, nor does a hole fit into another hole. Are there alternate means of gratification available? Of course, there are. But that&#039;s the point - Is sex a gift of one&#039;s whole self to the other? A gift so powerful that it is literally capable of creating a brand new human life? Or is it a toy to be used in whatever way suits one&#039;s fancy and whims? If the former, then the concept of same-sex marriage is self-negating. If the latter, then there is no value in the concept of marriage. And marriage does not, by the way, reduce promiscuity and high-risk sexual behavior. A conscious decision not to engage in these things does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you seem to have an awfully naive view of love and sexuality. Let&#8217;s start with the fact that a square peg does not fit into a round hole. Or, in this case, more precisely, a peg does fit into another peg, nor does a hole fit into another hole. Are there alternate means of gratification available? Of course, there are. But that&#8217;s the point &#8211; Is sex a gift of one&#8217;s whole self to the other? A gift so powerful that it is literally capable of creating a brand new human life? Or is it a toy to be used in whatever way suits one&#8217;s fancy and whims? If the former, then the concept of same-sex marriage is self-negating. If the latter, then there is no value in the concept of marriage. And marriage does not, by the way, reduce promiscuity and high-risk sexual behavior. A conscious decision not to engage in these things does.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lozera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lozera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@d6748af4eff7537cac506ae27729abce:disqus All respondents, who at the time of the study were adults between ages 18 and 39, were asked the following question:

From when you were born until age 18 (or until you left home to be on your own), did either of your parents ever have a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex?

If the answer was “yes,” the respondent was considered to have been the child of a gay or lesbian parent, whether or not the child had been raised by a same-sex couple. The “romantic relationship” of the question could have been nothing more than an infatuation or a one-night stand. A child of Larry Craig could have qualified as a respondent, though Craig was never part of a same-sex couple.

In other words, the actual parenting of that child might have been done by an opposite-sex couple. Nevertheless, Regnerus places the child into the category of “children raised by gay or lesbian parents.”

Tom Bartlett, writing for The Chronicle of Higher Education, says, “In reality, only two respondents lived with a lesbian couple for their entire childhoods, and most did not live with lesbian or gay parents for long periods, if at all.”

Of the 253 respondents in the test group, 42% reported living with a gay father and his partner for at least four months, but only two percent of those reported doing so for at least three years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@d6748af4eff7537cac506ae27729abce:disqus All respondents, who at the time of the study were adults between ages 18 and 39, were asked the following question:</p>
<p>From when you were born until age 18 (or until you left home to be on your own), did either of your parents ever have a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex?</p>
<p>If the answer was “yes,” the respondent was considered to have been the child of a gay or lesbian parent, whether or not the child had been raised by a same-sex couple. The “romantic relationship” of the question could have been nothing more than an infatuation or a one-night stand. A child of Larry Craig could have qualified as a respondent, though Craig was never part of a same-sex couple.</p>
<p>In other words, the actual parenting of that child might have been done by an opposite-sex couple. Nevertheless, Regnerus places the child into the category of “children raised by gay or lesbian parents.”</p>
<p>Tom Bartlett, writing for The Chronicle of Higher Education, says, “In reality, only two respondents lived with a lesbian couple for their entire childhoods, and most did not live with lesbian or gay parents for long periods, if at all.”</p>
<p>Of the 253 respondents in the test group, 42% reported living with a gay father and his partner for at least four months, but only two percent of those reported doing so for at least three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lozera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lozera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@d6748af4eff7537cac506ae27729abce:disqus I still maintain that Regnerus’s methodology was so badly flawed that virtually any college-educated person who looks at the study can spot the problems immediately.


Regnerus did not control the variables in his test group (children of gay and lesbian parents) and his comparison group (children of heterosexual parents).
The alleged purpose of the study was to answer the question, “Do the children of gay and lesbian parents look comparable to those of their heterosexual counterparts?” Regnerus claims that his study proves a correlation between gay parenting and sub-standard child outcomes.
Regnerus should have eliminated any factors that might cloud the issue. If his comparison group contained only children of continuously married heterosexual parents, his test group should have contained only children of continuously “partnered” same-sex couples.
Instead, Regnerus selected children of continuously married parents for his comparison group, and children mainly from failed mixed-orientation marriages for his test group. This introduction of a third factor into the test group (but not into the comparison group) should have disqualified the study.
Because of this asymmetry, the study can only be said to show that children raised in broken homes do less well that those raised in intact homes. But, of course, this is not Regnerus’s own stated conclusion.(more to follow)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@d6748af4eff7537cac506ae27729abce:disqus I still maintain that Regnerus’s methodology was so badly flawed that virtually any college-educated person who looks at the study can spot the problems immediately.</p>
<p>Regnerus did not control the variables in his test group (children of gay and lesbian parents) and his comparison group (children of heterosexual parents).<br />
The alleged purpose of the study was to answer the question, “Do the children of gay and lesbian parents look comparable to those of their heterosexual counterparts?” Regnerus claims that his study proves a correlation between gay parenting and sub-standard child outcomes.<br />
Regnerus should have eliminated any factors that might cloud the issue. If his comparison group contained only children of continuously married heterosexual parents, his test group should have contained only children of continuously “partnered” same-sex couples.<br />
Instead, Regnerus selected children of continuously married parents for his comparison group, and children mainly from failed mixed-orientation marriages for his test group. This introduction of a third factor into the test group (but not into the comparison group) should have disqualified the study.<br />
Because of this asymmetry, the study can only be said to show that children raised in broken homes do less well that those raised in intact homes. But, of course, this is not Regnerus’s own stated conclusion.(more to follow)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lozera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lozera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just today, Scott Rose released some e-mail communications that he had with Dr. Andrew Perrin, a cultural and political sociologist at UNC, Chapel Hill. Dr. Perrin is a highly-respected member of the American Sociological Association. Here are his words:

“I think the study is so thoroughly flawed, in particular with respect to its categorization of ‘gay’ and ‘lesbian,’ that no conclusions can be drawn with sufficient confidence to report, publicize, or use them.”

About Regnerus and Wilcox, he wrote,

“They should state publicly that the study does not support the ‘gays are pedophiles’ conclusion.”

When asked about the study’s finding that 23% of the young adult children of “lesbian mothers” had suffered childhood sexual victimization, he responded,

“The fundamental flaws in data collection and interpretation are sufficiently grave as to make this finding very suspect.”

About the conflicts of interest, he writes,

“Regnerus’s claim that the funders were not involved in the study design is clearly not true given Wilcox’s status.”

“The other important angle on this is that Wilcox’s “academic” work is not particularly well respected and is highly politicized, so it is not plausible that Regnerus engaged his services for primarily scholarly reasons. Regnerus certainly knew any advice he received from Wilcox would be heavily slanted toward the point of view Witherspoon routinely pursues.”

More to follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just today, Scott Rose released some e-mail communications that he had with Dr. Andrew Perrin, a cultural and political sociologist at UNC, Chapel Hill. Dr. Perrin is a highly-respected member of the American Sociological Association. Here are his words:</p>
<p>“I think the study is so thoroughly flawed, in particular with respect to its categorization of ‘gay’ and ‘lesbian,’ that no conclusions can be drawn with sufficient confidence to report, publicize, or use them.”</p>
<p>About Regnerus and Wilcox, he wrote,</p>
<p>“They should state publicly that the study does not support the ‘gays are pedophiles’ conclusion.”</p>
<p>When asked about the study’s finding that 23% of the young adult children of “lesbian mothers” had suffered childhood sexual victimization, he responded,</p>
<p>“The fundamental flaws in data collection and interpretation are sufficiently grave as to make this finding very suspect.”</p>
<p>About the conflicts of interest, he writes,</p>
<p>“Regnerus’s claim that the funders were not involved in the study design is clearly not true given Wilcox’s status.”</p>
<p>“The other important angle on this is that Wilcox’s “academic” work is not particularly well respected and is highly politicized, so it is not plausible that Regnerus engaged his services for primarily scholarly reasons. Regnerus certainly knew any advice he received from Wilcox would be heavily slanted toward the point of view Witherspoon routinely pursues.”</p>
<p>More to follow.</p>
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