Post edited 12:56 pm - September 21, 2009 by saintstephen
Post edited 12:59 pm - September 21, 2009 by saintstephen

Church Cannon regarding Canonization of Saints dismisses the requirement of miracles evidenced from beyond the grave in the case of proven Martyrdom for Christ.

The Federal mandate of the Food and Drug Administration of the United States specifies that illness in the U.S.A. can only be treated with approved drugs [which precludes both non-approved drugs and non-drug treatments]. This FDA mandate is enforceable in all 50 States and U.S. subsidiaries.

Church law requires obedience to all just man made laws and full recognition of lawful State and Governmental authority.

Not long ago a young boy developed non-hodgkins lymphoma which is a form of cancer and his parents opted for faith healing. The boy was diagnosed at a hospital and so the illness was on record as well as the Doctors prescription of chemorad therapy.

The parents of the boy not wanting to subject themselves to the radical treatment which for the record applies direct points of radiation to the area which kills the cells both sick and well including chemical treatment usually in the form of a drug called Cysplatin which also kills cells that are both well and sick.

The effects of chemorad treatment for cancer has in fact resulted in the death of a great percentage of patients and is not proven absolutely resolute in treatment and the side effects are evident in a toxicicity known as “radioactive” and eventually severe and chronic nerve damage known as peripheral neuropathy.

The boy did not want the chemorad and neither did the parents so the mom took the boy on a several hundred mile search for faith healing which resulted in a federal criminal manhunt for the boy and his mom.

Eventually the boy and his mother turned themselves in to law enforcement and finally submitted to the radical treatment.

Now I ask the question and beg your answer. Should this boy die from the radical chemorad treatment at mandate of Federal law when his faith in Christ calls for faith healing, would the boy then be considered “The Radioactive Saint”?

You be the judge as I would appreciate your comments.

Michael said:

Saintstephen:

I think some clarification may be helpful.

Michael, Thank you for your opinion in this case. I appreciate your input.

My wife and I both fell ill with fatal illness. My wife went to Mexico for treatment with a non FDA approved program and was healed entirely without any radical drugs.

I went to Federal facilities for treatment as a former soldier and CIA operative to receive radical chemoradiation. During the course of my treatment I also sought a faith healing through Annointing of the Sick and Dying which produced a miraculous disappearance of the disease while the chemoradiation treatment left me worse than my wife now having severe nerve damage and radioactive flesh.

As you say the cause of Christ must be considered as well for any recognition of white or red martyrdom although seeking a faith healing through Christ could be construed as for the cause of Christ and in witness to him.

The Federal government made it quite clear that I would be fully expected by law to receive treatment using the FDA approved drug therapy and radiation.

This is a very perplexing problem for many Catholic as I am certain Warren also suffers greatly from FDA drug induced regulatory health care.

The only sure fire way to avoid the chemical route is out of country as my wife did which worked perfectly, she recovered by natural means under the care of physicians also although in Mexico they are not dictated to by government and so do not need to hide their methods including faith healing as Mexico is 98% Catholic from my last guage of faith in Mexico.

Michael said:

Saintstephen:

Don’t people generally go out of country to have access to drugs that have not received FDA approval?

Sure US law requires that if you are going to use a drug it must be FDA approved, or at least part of a study that is meant to assist the FDA in making a decision. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t use therapeutic modalities that do not fall under FDA regulation. If you want a faith healer, you are not breaking the law if you choose to go that route. If you choose to drink only water or live only on the Eucharist, the FDA has no authority over you.

But if you are using the VA system, they are going to recommend what they believe will work…and that includes those drugs or treatments that have FDA approval. We shouldn’t expect them to behave otherwise, should we?

In Christ,
Michael

Michael, So long as no one knows and never finds out you can have your head shrunk by a witch doctor.

The problem arises when a medical doctor, especially at a hospital diagnoses you with a fatal disease and you tell him or her point blank that you refuse “medicine” and are going home to try rose hips and if that doesn’t work then you will live with the consequence.

Any medical doctor can and sometimes will contact social services in your county to report you as non compliant with FDA approved treatments and you will be subject to mental evaluation per social service and legal action in court.

I went through this process recently with my eldest brother causing me great suffering and my brother lost his life to “medical science”.

Of course, any legal action against you can be limited by a compassionate health care professional and a “code of silence” although according to most state laws if you refuse the FDA approved method you are subject to mental evaluation by state appointed psychological services and referred to court.

noelfitz said:

SS
I believe you may be giving incorrect impressions. Modern medicine has saved many lives. In fact due to advances in medicine life expectancies have been increase. Many of us would have been dead ages ago were in not for blood pressure and heart drugs.

In Ireland there have been cases where Jehovah Witnesses have been made wards of court, to insure that bleed transfusions were administered. These cases are often difficult.

Noel, U.S. law differs from Irish law. I have not given an incorrect impression, rather I have posted real life consequences of law as it applies to personal choice with medical versus faith healings and herbal treatments.

The point I make is that Americans appear to have freedoms that are not in reality their freedoms. I fully understand that medicine may heal although the Scriptures call us to pray for our doctor so that he makes the right diagnosis and treatment.

Simply because a person follows a medical prescription does not ensure healing, the entire regimen must be accompanied by prayer to be effective according to Catholic teaching from the Magistrate of the Church.

Michael said:

Saintstephen:

Isn’t it true that one must be in a special class of citizen (child, mentally challenged, ward of the state, etc.) to be forced into an interview with social services if treatment (or no treatment) against medical advice is sought?

In Christ,
Michael

Michael, Not true, any person in medical treatment can be referred for social services especially if they are not paying in cash. If the medical practitioner has reason to believe they are not of sound mind the referral can and usually will take place. It could easily happen to you. That is why the new legislation considers the Power of Attorney for Health care to name a responsible party to make decisions for you when you become mentally incapacitated.

The boy in the story and his mother were both reported as was my aged brother. I had to intervene in my brother’s case in order to save his inheritance and my niece from social services. I was fortunate that God intervened on my behalf to help me and also I knew personally the Social Supervisor and was able to convince him that I could make responsible decisions for my brother.

This is a story which would take me many posts to tell how God intervened between me and my brother. It is truly a miracle and possesses many evidential qualities of Divine Intervention along the way.

Christ saved me and my brother from Social Services.

Michael said:

Saintstephen:

The necessity for a Health Care Power of Attorney means that the covered individual is in a special class. The custodian and the individual may be referred to court if, in the estimation of the physician or the social worker, he is not acting in the best interest of the patient, but this doesn’t apply to one of sound mind.

In Christ,
Michael

Michael, The State of Minnesota Power of Attorney form has no provision for asserting a declaration of sound mind. The form last I looked was being revised by Congress and Senate. I do not know if it is completed although I can tell you the difficulty was told to me by a Wells Fargo Investment Banker who said that his attorneys found that “of sound mind” is completely debatable and can only be established in a court of law by the witness of three independant fornensic psychologist.

This also Christ helped me overcome in court. I won.

Michael said:

Saintstephen:

If you decide to go AMA and seek out a faith healer (I’m guessing that you are to be deemed of sound mind, that you aren’t in a special class, and that you don’t have someone acting on your behalf in matters of health), the law can’t prevent you. Where they may interevene is if you are charged with the care of another.

In Christ,
Michael

Michael, False information you espouse, wait until you are hospitalized and see what your faith intention gains you should you decide to leave the care of medicine solely for a faith healing.

Go back to the beginning article of this thread, the child and mother were MANHUNTED to bring them back to medical science and in the end they surrendered rather than stay on the run. Both mother and child ran from medical science for faith healing and for this they were both considered criminals to be manhunted.