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		<title>By: Mary Kochan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Kochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guitarmom, I know.  I wonder often how to deal with people I know who are making bad chioces.  Like you said this article really is not about this, but it is another aspect of judging. Certainly your friend who felt she could say what others&#039; eternal destiny is was way over the line. Yes, that is what Jesus forbids.

The things I am trying to remind myself of are:

1. I am a sinner very in need of mercy, so I can&#039;t look at someone else and say he or she is a worse sinner because I don&#039;t really know what the responsiblities of that person before God are. Which leads to the next point.

2. There is a secret inner self that each person has that no one else can access except God. sometimes people do horrible things for what seem to them to be very good reasons. and the internal motivations my be very hidden or complex. Also people are influenced by many things beyond their control, such as prenatal influences or even injuries, early childhood shocks to their system, genetic predispositions, even enviromental hazards, like exposure to lead and other chemicals that mess up their brains.

3. I still think we should try to point out when people are on the wrong path and not be detered by the recognition that that this will often be a thankless endeavor, nor should we be scared of losing their friendship or the realtionship we have with them. Admonishing the sinner is a work of mercy and a part of our Christian witness. If we just seem to go along with evil, we damage our witness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guitarmom, I know.  I wonder often how to deal with people I know who are making bad chioces.  Like you said this article really is not about this, but it is another aspect of judging. Certainly your friend who felt she could say what others&#8217; eternal destiny is was way over the line. Yes, that is what Jesus forbids.</p>
<p>The things I am trying to remind myself of are:</p>
<p>1. I am a sinner very in need of mercy, so I can&#8217;t look at someone else and say he or she is a worse sinner because I don&#8217;t really know what the responsiblities of that person before God are. Which leads to the next point.</p>
<p>2. There is a secret inner self that each person has that no one else can access except God. sometimes people do horrible things for what seem to them to be very good reasons. and the internal motivations my be very hidden or complex. Also people are influenced by many things beyond their control, such as prenatal influences or even injuries, early childhood shocks to their system, genetic predispositions, even enviromental hazards, like exposure to lead and other chemicals that mess up their brains.</p>
<p>3. I still think we should try to point out when people are on the wrong path and not be detered by the recognition that that this will often be a thankless endeavor, nor should we be scared of losing their friendship or the realtionship we have with them. Admonishing the sinner is a work of mercy and a part of our Christian witness. If we just seem to go along with evil, we damage our witness.</p>
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		<title>By: guitarmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitarmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful illustration about not judging those whom we do not know.

Here is what I struggle with: Are we to judge those close to us whom we know are making bad choices? Are we to help them turn from evil? If we cannot judge, how can we help? Upon what platform may we stand if we cannot say, &quot;What you&#039;re doing is wrong, unhealthy or destructive&quot;? To point out these things, must we not make judgements about the acts themselves?

I remember a co-worker who, in criticizing her family, said, &quot;Well, they&#039;re going to Hell and I&#039;m not.&quot; Is it this attitude that Jesus forbids in Matthew 7? 

I struggle with these questions and ask for insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful illustration about not judging those whom we do not know.</p>
<p>Here is what I struggle with: Are we to judge those close to us whom we know are making bad choices? Are we to help them turn from evil? If we cannot judge, how can we help? Upon what platform may we stand if we cannot say, &#8220;What you&#8217;re doing is wrong, unhealthy or destructive&#8221;? To point out these things, must we not make judgements about the acts themselves?</p>
<p>I remember a co-worker who, in criticizing her family, said, &#8220;Well, they&#8217;re going to Hell and I&#8217;m not.&#8221; Is it this attitude that Jesus forbids in Matthew 7? </p>
<p>I struggle with these questions and ask for insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe DeVet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe DeVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is healthy and necessary to remember that we are called to a duty of judging the objective morality of actions--our own and others&#039;.  The same Jesus who gave us the (realistic!) warning about the beam in our own eye, many times also invited us to &quot;consider this case&quot;--after which he would tell a parable, such as the one about the Good Samaritan, in which His intention is that we judge the actions of the players in the parable.  We clearly are called to judge the good behavior of the Samaritan, and I would say also the moral blindness of the priest and Levite who passed by.  In the Prodigal Son story it is assumed we know (by judging) the evil done by the prodigal son, and we are invited to recognize the goodness of the prodigal father and the wrong attitude of the prideful elder brother.

To love the sinner and hate the sin, it is necessary that we recognize and call sin by its proper name.  In other words, we judge.

As parents we must point out where sin happens in order to give our children a correct understanding of the moral law.  Sometimes this involves an objective evaluation of the evildoing of others.  I&#039;ve seen too many parents fail to give their children proper guidance by mis-applying the &quot;don&#039;t judge&quot; dictum.

At the same time we do our duty and judge the objective moral character of ours and others&#039; actions, we must not judge their human dignity the less, nor judge how they stand in front of the our merciful and just God.  For who of us is justified except by his abundant mercy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is healthy and necessary to remember that we are called to a duty of judging the objective morality of actions&#8211;our own and others&#8217;.  The same Jesus who gave us the (realistic!) warning about the beam in our own eye, many times also invited us to &#8220;consider this case&#8221;&#8211;after which he would tell a parable, such as the one about the Good Samaritan, in which His intention is that we judge the actions of the players in the parable.  We clearly are called to judge the good behavior of the Samaritan, and I would say also the moral blindness of the priest and Levite who passed by.  In the Prodigal Son story it is assumed we know (by judging) the evil done by the prodigal son, and we are invited to recognize the goodness of the prodigal father and the wrong attitude of the prideful elder brother.</p>
<p>To love the sinner and hate the sin, it is necessary that we recognize and call sin by its proper name.  In other words, we judge.</p>
<p>As parents we must point out where sin happens in order to give our children a correct understanding of the moral law.  Sometimes this involves an objective evaluation of the evildoing of others.  I&#8217;ve seen too many parents fail to give their children proper guidance by mis-applying the &#8220;don&#8217;t judge&#8221; dictum.</p>
<p>At the same time we do our duty and judge the objective moral character of ours and others&#8217; actions, we must not judge their human dignity the less, nor judge how they stand in front of the our merciful and just God.  For who of us is justified except by his abundant mercy?</p>
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		<title>By: lousagsveen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lousagsveen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, God really does work in mysterious ways!  I am the mother of this young man in the story.  I was home in ND safely in my home when this event began.  There was a serious urging in my consciousness to pray, and pray as if it were urgently needed by someone.  My nephew was in the last day of &quot;Hell Week&quot; for the Navy Seals and I assumed he needed Spiritual support.  It was also our wedding anniversary.  Throughout the day that need to pray continued, even as I fell asleep I prayed &quot;whatever it is God, hear my prayer&quot;  Shortly after falling asleep we received the phone call from the US embassy, and the rest is recorded in the story Patty has posted here.  When we finally got to speak to Patrick on the phone, he said:  &quot;God really has a wicked sense of humor!  I went to Confession and told the Priest I couldn&#039;t feel sorry for all the homeless and beggars, and then he made sure I became one that very day&quot;  WOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, God really does work in mysterious ways!  I am the mother of this young man in the story.  I was home in ND safely in my home when this event began.  There was a serious urging in my consciousness to pray, and pray as if it were urgently needed by someone.  My nephew was in the last day of &#8220;Hell Week&#8221; for the Navy Seals and I assumed he needed Spiritual support.  It was also our wedding anniversary.  Throughout the day that need to pray continued, even as I fell asleep I prayed &#8220;whatever it is God, hear my prayer&#8221;  Shortly after falling asleep we received the phone call from the US embassy, and the rest is recorded in the story Patty has posted here.  When we finally got to speak to Patrick on the phone, he said:  &#8220;God really has a wicked sense of humor!  I went to Confession and told the Priest I couldn&#8217;t feel sorry for all the homeless and beggars, and then he made sure I became one that very day&#8221;  WOW!</p>
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		<title>By: PrairieHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrairieHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on staff for a while at the local Dorothy Day House homeless shelter for men. On the check-in form there was a place for the man to write in a person for an emergency contact. More than once, I saw a man list a brother, a mother, a cousin, or another relative--and give an address right in town. The man was checking into the homeless shelter, and he had family right in town.

I always wondered, what was the story behind this man&#039;s coming to the homeless shelter when he couldn&#039;t stay with his own kin. It was always a sad moment for me, and it taught me not to take for granted my own family, with their own foibles and faults (who have taken me in on more than one occasion). Every person has a story, and there is always more than meets the eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on staff for a while at the local Dorothy Day House homeless shelter for men. On the check-in form there was a place for the man to write in a person for an emergency contact. More than once, I saw a man list a brother, a mother, a cousin, or another relative&#8211;and give an address right in town. The man was checking into the homeless shelter, and he had family right in town.</p>
<p>I always wondered, what was the story behind this man&#8217;s coming to the homeless shelter when he couldn&#8217;t stay with his own kin. It was always a sad moment for me, and it taught me not to take for granted my own family, with their own foibles and faults (who have taken me in on more than one occasion). Every person has a story, and there is always more than meets the eye.</p>
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