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		<title>By: Robert Struble, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Struble, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that&#039;s &quot;vain babblers and deceivers&quot; in Titus 1:10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that&#8217;s &#8220;vain babblers and deceivers&#8221; in Titus 1:10.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Struble, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Struble, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slteve48224:  Your point is well taken, but with three provisos:
1. An unreformed Congress is incapable of addressing the real needs of the country with wisdom and boldness.  In its present corrupted condition the Congress is like the &quot;vain battlers and deceivers&quot; in Titus 1:10, 16, who are &quot;worthless for any good work.&quot;

2.  While, as you rightly point out, Congress does indeed have denial of jurisdiction as an arrow in its quiver (Article III, sect. 2); Congress has not used this provision with determination in many decades -- and never since Earl Warren and his successors put the federal courts onto the path of egregious usurpation.  

3.  And so the bow must be restrung (Congressional rotation in office and other reforms), and the aforesaid arrow sharpened, in order to restore the constitutional scheme of checks and balances.  

On how Article III, sect. 2 might be strengthened, &quot;Curbing Court Usurpation,&quot; in the 7th chapter of my online book,
http://www.tell-usa.org/totl/07-%20Accountability,%20Efficiency%20&amp;%20Cuts.htm#Part1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slteve48224:  Your point is well taken, but with three provisos:<br />
1. An unreformed Congress is incapable of addressing the real needs of the country with wisdom and boldness.  In its present corrupted condition the Congress is like the &#8220;vain battlers and deceivers&#8221; in Titus 1:10, 16, who are &#8220;worthless for any good work.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  While, as you rightly point out, Congress does indeed have denial of jurisdiction as an arrow in its quiver (Article III, sect. 2); Congress has not used this provision with determination in many decades &#8212; and never since Earl Warren and his successors put the federal courts onto the path of egregious usurpation.  </p>
<p>3.  And so the bow must be restrung (Congressional rotation in office and other reforms), and the aforesaid arrow sharpened, in order to restore the constitutional scheme of checks and balances.  </p>
<p>On how Article III, sect. 2 might be strengthened, &#8220;Curbing Court Usurpation,&#8221; in the 7th chapter of my online book,<br />
<a href="http://www.tell-usa.org/totl/07-%20Accountability,%20Efficiency%20&amp;%20Cuts.htm#Part1" rel="nofollow">http://www.tell-usa.org/totl/07-%20Accountability,%20Efficiency%20&amp;%20Cuts.htm#Part1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve48224</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve48224</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The criticism of life-time appointment for federal judges misses the fact that the US Congress can determine what issues are within the federal jurisdiction. All it takes is a majority vote of both houses and the president&#039;s signature (or an over-ride of his veto).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The criticism of life-time appointment for federal judges misses the fact that the US Congress can determine what issues are within the federal jurisdiction. All it takes is a majority vote of both houses and the president&#8217;s signature (or an over-ride of his veto).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Struble, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Struble, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goral: Good refutation of the ‘better than any other system devised by man’ line.  That argument reminds me of Burke&#039;s old saw about democracy being the worst form of government ever invented - &quot;except for all the others.&quot;

In fact there is nothing democratic at all about having unelected, irremovable, life tenured judges decide our basic direction as a society.  It renders moot the debate about whether the United States is a democracy or a republic.  Under a judicial oligarchy it is neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goral: Good refutation of the ‘better than any other system devised by man’ line.  That argument reminds me of Burke&#8217;s old saw about democracy being the worst form of government ever invented &#8211; &#8220;except for all the others.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact there is nothing democratic at all about having unelected, irremovable, life tenured judges decide our basic direction as a society.  It renders moot the debate about whether the United States is a democracy or a republic.  Under a judicial oligarchy it is neither.</p>
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		<title>By: goral</title>
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		<dc:creator>goral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have closer experience with JP2’s admonition than most who post here. That is the reason that at times I also reference Solzhenitsyn’s Harvard Speech as an example of another reality and another view of the capitalist and secularist West. 

The unconditional defense and the ‘better than any other system devised by man’ arguments do not impress me. I equate them with the Jewish defense of their Law and tradition. As valid as it was it tragically missed the whole purpose, and so the “vineyard” was given to others. We will lose this great nation for the same reason. Government and business amorality is not the purpose of any society. We are enshrining this fraudulent concept and the profits of amorality are in windfall abundance. Even our catholic legislators and entrepreneurs are capitalizing on it.

They are the reflection of who we are as a church and as a society - land of the free to do evil as long as it pays and is in line with the Law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have closer experience with JP2’s admonition than most who post here. That is the reason that at times I also reference Solzhenitsyn’s Harvard Speech as an example of another reality and another view of the capitalist and secularist West. </p>
<p>The unconditional defense and the ‘better than any other system devised by man’ arguments do not impress me. I equate them with the Jewish defense of their Law and tradition. As valid as it was it tragically missed the whole purpose, and so the “vineyard” was given to others. We will lose this great nation for the same reason. Government and business amorality is not the purpose of any society. We are enshrining this fraudulent concept and the profits of amorality are in windfall abundance. Even our catholic legislators and entrepreneurs are capitalizing on it.</p>
<p>They are the reflection of who we are as a church and as a society &#8211; land of the free to do evil as long as it pays and is in line with the Law.</p>
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		<title>By: guitarmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitarmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original case (Citizen&#039;s United v. FEC)is important to keep in mind. Citizen&#039;s United, a corporation that exists specifically to influence politics, made a film called &quot;Hillary: The Moive.&quot; But under the campaign laws then in effect, &quot;Hillary: The Movie&quot; could not be shown on the airwaves any time near the election.

I hope we can agree that this was a clear restriction on free speech, and on political free speech at that. Citizen&#039;s United is funded by little people like you and me who, yes, want to get a particular polital viewpoint to be aired. It was OUR rights that were being trampled, and this Supreme Court decision rectified that.

will there be negative fallout? Certainly. But free political discourse is messy. Let&#039;s cheer the messiness; it&#039;s a whole lot better than governmentally-controlled, viewpoint-restricted tidiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original case (Citizen&#8217;s United v. FEC)is important to keep in mind. Citizen&#8217;s United, a corporation that exists specifically to influence politics, made a film called &#8220;Hillary: The Moive.&#8221; But under the campaign laws then in effect, &#8220;Hillary: The Movie&#8221; could not be shown on the airwaves any time near the election.</p>
<p>I hope we can agree that this was a clear restriction on free speech, and on political free speech at that. Citizen&#8217;s United is funded by little people like you and me who, yes, want to get a particular polital viewpoint to be aired. It was OUR rights that were being trampled, and this Supreme Court decision rectified that.</p>
<p>will there be negative fallout? Certainly. But free political discourse is messy. Let&#8217;s cheer the messiness; it&#8217;s a whole lot better than governmentally-controlled, viewpoint-restricted tidiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Struble, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Struble, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zatoichi wants to extend free speech rights, normally associated with citizenship, to corporations.  “…corporations, as do all Americans, have a right under the First Amendment to speak freely.”  

But what about the fact that citizens can go to prison for their misdeeds, whereas corporations cannot?  Since corporations cannot be held accountable in the same way as citizens, and since they are not people at all, how can corporations have the same rights under the First Amendment?  The Constitution begins with the words, “We the People,” not we the corporations.

Z. asks what alternative I propose to capitalism?  I propose that it be retained in upgraded form, along the lines of Pope John Paul’s “economy for the people, not people for the economy.”  (Laborem Exercens)  One of the fundamental problems that cries out for a solution is chronic unemployment.  See, for example, chapter 8 “Bolstering Workers: Structuring Full-Employment Into Capitalism,” in my online book
www.tell-usa.org/totl/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zatoichi wants to extend free speech rights, normally associated with citizenship, to corporations.  “…corporations, as do all Americans, have a right under the First Amendment to speak freely.”  </p>
<p>But what about the fact that citizens can go to prison for their misdeeds, whereas corporations cannot?  Since corporations cannot be held accountable in the same way as citizens, and since they are not people at all, how can corporations have the same rights under the First Amendment?  The Constitution begins with the words, “We the People,” not we the corporations.</p>
<p>Z. asks what alternative I propose to capitalism?  I propose that it be retained in upgraded form, along the lines of Pope John Paul’s “economy for the people, not people for the economy.”  (Laborem Exercens)  One of the fundamental problems that cries out for a solution is chronic unemployment.  See, for example, chapter 8 “Bolstering Workers: Structuring Full-Employment Into Capitalism,” in my online book<br />
<a href="http://www.tell-usa.org/totl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tell-usa.org/totl/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PrairieHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrairieHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There aren&#039;t only two alternatives, capitalism and socialism. Our society as a whole, corporations, government, and citizenry together, have fallen into such profligate immorality that it may be best to give up and start over. We could build a truly Catholic society founded on the sacramental reality of Christ&#039;s life, death, and Resurrection. We could take the examples of the Catholic Worker movement, the monastery and religious societies, and Church teaching on a just society and create, with God&#039;s abundant help, something entirely new. It might look like the early Apostolic communities with technology, or it might just be a new thing under the sun. I don&#039;t know, but I&#039;d like to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There aren&#8217;t only two alternatives, capitalism and socialism. Our society as a whole, corporations, government, and citizenry together, have fallen into such profligate immorality that it may be best to give up and start over. We could build a truly Catholic society founded on the sacramental reality of Christ&#8217;s life, death, and Resurrection. We could take the examples of the Catholic Worker movement, the monastery and religious societies, and Church teaching on a just society and create, with God&#8217;s abundant help, something entirely new. It might look like the early Apostolic communities with technology, or it might just be a new thing under the sun. I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;d like to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve48224</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve48224</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a huge difference between &quot;laissez faire&quot; or &quot;free market&quot; capitalism and what America has today. Frankly put, there is no &quot;free market&quot; in America. Washington and the states control every aspect of every person&#039;s life from conception to death, sun up to sun down.

What we have today is &quot;crony capitalism&quot; or what some are calling &quot;corporatism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a huge difference between &#8220;laissez faire&#8221; or &#8220;free market&#8221; capitalism and what America has today. Frankly put, there is no &#8220;free market&#8221; in America. Washington and the states control every aspect of every person&#8217;s life from conception to death, sun up to sun down.</p>
<p>What we have today is &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221; or what some are calling &#8220;corporatism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: zatoichi</title>
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		<dc:creator>zatoichi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, corporate America, the source of all the evil in the world.  Mr. Struble&#039;s diatribe against corporations, although justified in part, ignores two fundamental points:  first, it is corporate America and the capitalist system that built this country for the benefit of the poor, middle and upper classes.  What is Mr. Struble&#039;s alternative, a socialist system as we see in Europe?  Second, corporations, as do all Americans, have a right under the First Amendment to speak freely:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.  While there should be limits on free speech rights under certain circumstances, political speech has always been regarded as one of the most precious and protected of rights for obvious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, corporate America, the source of all the evil in the world.  Mr. Struble&#8217;s diatribe against corporations, although justified in part, ignores two fundamental points:  first, it is corporate America and the capitalist system that built this country for the benefit of the poor, middle and upper classes.  What is Mr. Struble&#8217;s alternative, a socialist system as we see in Europe?  Second, corporations, as do all Americans, have a right under the First Amendment to speak freely:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.  While there should be limits on free speech rights under certain circumstances, political speech has always been regarded as one of the most precious and protected of rights for obvious reasons.</p>
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