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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this article is saying that women shouldn&#039;t have the right to education, etc.  I think it&#039;s just making the point that in pushing women to pursue careers at the rate that men do, the structure of our society has changed to the point where they actually have less choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this article is saying that women shouldn&#8217;t have the right to education, etc.  I think it&#8217;s just making the point that in pushing women to pursue careers at the rate that men do, the structure of our society has changed to the point where they actually have less choices.</p>
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		<title>By: marshwalker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patti, I thought the article very well written and thought out.  

When we married my wife quit her job in a federal(US) institution (which kept track of her bathroom visits - so much for dignity) and I worked while she finished her college degree.  After the degree, she worked about a year and then we both felt the need for her to stay home when our first baby arrived.  She has put her degree to work in raising healthy children and answering medical questions of many family members (Clinical Laboratory Scientist) and dispelling some of the fad miracle diets and vitamins and the list goes on.  I have fumbled along with my jobs and somehow God has always provided.  After listening to me complain and grumble about something at work she sometimes mentions she could go to work.  I tell her &quot;before you go to work, just take a knife and stab me in the heart&quot;.  My thoughts - There is little that I am able to do but don&#039;t take away the little I have to show my love for you and our family.  

God bless you, keep spreading the truth. 
(Media, Jesus and Family Life...and Paulines!...http://www.hficoncord.com/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patti, I thought the article very well written and thought out.  </p>
<p>When we married my wife quit her job in a federal(US) institution (which kept track of her bathroom visits &#8211; so much for dignity) and I worked while she finished her college degree.  After the degree, she worked about a year and then we both felt the need for her to stay home when our first baby arrived.  She has put her degree to work in raising healthy children and answering medical questions of many family members (Clinical Laboratory Scientist) and dispelling some of the fad miracle diets and vitamins and the list goes on.  I have fumbled along with my jobs and somehow God has always provided.  After listening to me complain and grumble about something at work she sometimes mentions she could go to work.  I tell her &#8220;before you go to work, just take a knife and stab me in the heart&#8221;.  My thoughts &#8211; There is little that I am able to do but don&#8217;t take away the little I have to show my love for you and our family.  </p>
<p>God bless you, keep spreading the truth.<br />
(Media, Jesus and Family Life&#8230;and Paulines!&#8230;http://www.hficoncord.com/)</p>
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		<title>By: patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points made.  I think there are a few things going on here to show women are less happy.  One, is that most of us are comparing our lives today with those of our mothers and grandmothers.  During the Fifties and Sixties, that is an idealized time and most women did stay home.  Of course there were all sort of scenarios and not everyone was happy by any means.  

One aspect that is different today is that there is a high divorce rate, women living with the result of abortion, women falling for the lie that they can &quot;have it all&quot; and women feeling taken advantage of when they work all day then come home to the second shift.

Another situation is that our expectations are so much higher today than women of long ago.  We expect to be happy and have a good life.  People did not necessarily think they had that coming to them.  Ironically, in some ways we&#039;ve never had it easier yet it would seem that people complain more than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points made.  I think there are a few things going on here to show women are less happy.  One, is that most of us are comparing our lives today with those of our mothers and grandmothers.  During the Fifties and Sixties, that is an idealized time and most women did stay home.  Of course there were all sort of scenarios and not everyone was happy by any means.  </p>
<p>One aspect that is different today is that there is a high divorce rate, women living with the result of abortion, women falling for the lie that they can &#8220;have it all&#8221; and women feeling taken advantage of when they work all day then come home to the second shift.</p>
<p>Another situation is that our expectations are so much higher today than women of long ago.  We expect to be happy and have a good life.  People did not necessarily think they had that coming to them.  Ironically, in some ways we&#8217;ve never had it easier yet it would seem that people complain more than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: bluestorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluestorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the points about abortion and contraception, I disagree that women have it worse today or are less happy than ever. Does the research includes interviewing women from the beginning of 20th century, 18th century, or 2nd century B.C.? I did not think so... 

The reality is that staying at home with children is and has always been a privilege of rich women, not something all women did. My grandmother was born in 1907 in Austro-Hungarian empire and she barely went to school for two years. As soon as she learned how to read and write her parents pulled her out of the school and sent her to work - babysitting, cleaning for the rich families, later working in the fields. When she got married, she had 6 children who survived into the adulthood and she continued cleaning houses and doing laundry for rich families. She worked hard all her life while taking care of her family. The story of my grandmother is in no way unique - it is a story of the majority of women of that place and time. My grandmother was also very smart. If she was given an opportunity to go to school and get some education her life would have been much easier. She realized that and encouraged all of her children (boys as well as girls) to go to school and learn, because she did not want them to live the same life she did.

My impression is that today we tend to idealize the &quot;good old times&quot;, when every women was able to stay home and was taken care of by her husband, who appreciated her. I am sorry, but those times did not exist. It is true that  the life is different today and has some unique challenges that did not exist before, such as widespread access to the abortion and contraception, societal pressure to have sex before marriage and today&#039;s society disregard for children. On the other hand, women today do have power to make their own choices - they do not have to contracept, they do not have to have cohabitate before marriage, they do not have to have abortion. Women also have unprecedented access to education and ability to take care of themselves and their families if the need arises (husbands die too...). As a woman, I am grateful that I live in this time and place that give me so many opportunities. But with the ability to make the choices also comes responsibility...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the points about abortion and contraception, I disagree that women have it worse today or are less happy than ever. Does the research includes interviewing women from the beginning of 20th century, 18th century, or 2nd century B.C.? I did not think so&#8230; </p>
<p>The reality is that staying at home with children is and has always been a privilege of rich women, not something all women did. My grandmother was born in 1907 in Austro-Hungarian empire and she barely went to school for two years. As soon as she learned how to read and write her parents pulled her out of the school and sent her to work &#8211; babysitting, cleaning for the rich families, later working in the fields. When she got married, she had 6 children who survived into the adulthood and she continued cleaning houses and doing laundry for rich families. She worked hard all her life while taking care of her family. The story of my grandmother is in no way unique &#8211; it is a story of the majority of women of that place and time. My grandmother was also very smart. If she was given an opportunity to go to school and get some education her life would have been much easier. She realized that and encouraged all of her children (boys as well as girls) to go to school and learn, because she did not want them to live the same life she did.</p>
<p>My impression is that today we tend to idealize the &#8220;good old times&#8221;, when every women was able to stay home and was taken care of by her husband, who appreciated her. I am sorry, but those times did not exist. It is true that  the life is different today and has some unique challenges that did not exist before, such as widespread access to the abortion and contraception, societal pressure to have sex before marriage and today&#8217;s society disregard for children. On the other hand, women today do have power to make their own choices &#8211; they do not have to contracept, they do not have to have cohabitate before marriage, they do not have to have abortion. Women also have unprecedented access to education and ability to take care of themselves and their families if the need arises (husbands die too&#8230;). As a woman, I am grateful that I live in this time and place that give me so many opportunities. But with the ability to make the choices also comes responsibility&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: patti</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/11/03/123265/comment-page-1/#comment-43752</link>
		<dc:creator>patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a reaction I received on my facebook page regarding this article.  I am sharing it here (with permission) with my response at the bottom:

Frank Sommers November 3 at 5:27pm

Hey, Patty

I understand some of the points you are trying to make, but I (as a brother to nine sisters and father of six daughters) respectfully and deeply disagree with the basic premise and tone. Beyond the cultural and legal ramifications of your premise (it is worth noting that there were arguments made that Blacks were better off BEFORE they were freed from slavery), I have issues from a theological perspective as well. To suggest that women were, in some ways, better off before they had freedom and choices is, in many ways, akin to suggesting that Humankind would perhaps be better off (if not happier) if only God had not given us free will.

It seems the real intent of the article may have been to argue against Abortion and other societal ills. I, for one, don&#039;t feel the arguments are strengthened by watering down the very real injustices forced upon women for centuries, nor by dismissing the very real progress made combatting those injustices.  

HI Frank,

I think you made some great points.  In editing to tighten up the article, perhaps I edited out too much of my acknowledgment that women were unfairly discriminated against.  I for one, would not want to give back my education or  work experiences.  JPII&#039;s encyclical on the dignity of women made some very strong statements condemning past injustices.

However, the point of my article was to consider the study reported on in Time magazine stating that women are less happy today than ever.  What is behind that?  Women have more rights than ever, yet, their happiness quotient is down.

It&#039;s clear that more  power does not always bring freedom.  Arguing against abortion as a way to bring women freedom, was indeed one of my points.  I do believe that in the end, it does not bring happiness to women or society.  But lest anyone think I am proposing that women return to being second class citizens, I am not.  Yet, I do think that we&#039;ve gone so far in the other direction that somehow, women did lose freedoms, such as the freedom to stay home and raise their children.  I do think that men, in general, once respected and valued their wives as mothers more.  Too many men expect their wives to make money and then come home and do most of the childcare and housework.  In the end, this reality has taken away freedom and made life harder for women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a reaction I received on my facebook page regarding this article.  I am sharing it here (with permission) with my response at the bottom:</p>
<p>Frank Sommers November 3 at 5:27pm</p>
<p>Hey, Patty</p>
<p>I understand some of the points you are trying to make, but I (as a brother to nine sisters and father of six daughters) respectfully and deeply disagree with the basic premise and tone. Beyond the cultural and legal ramifications of your premise (it is worth noting that there were arguments made that Blacks were better off BEFORE they were freed from slavery), I have issues from a theological perspective as well. To suggest that women were, in some ways, better off before they had freedom and choices is, in many ways, akin to suggesting that Humankind would perhaps be better off (if not happier) if only God had not given us free will.</p>
<p>It seems the real intent of the article may have been to argue against Abortion and other societal ills. I, for one, don&#8217;t feel the arguments are strengthened by watering down the very real injustices forced upon women for centuries, nor by dismissing the very real progress made combatting those injustices.  </p>
<p>HI Frank,</p>
<p>I think you made some great points.  In editing to tighten up the article, perhaps I edited out too much of my acknowledgment that women were unfairly discriminated against.  I for one, would not want to give back my education or  work experiences.  JPII&#8217;s encyclical on the dignity of women made some very strong statements condemning past injustices.</p>
<p>However, the point of my article was to consider the study reported on in Time magazine stating that women are less happy today than ever.  What is behind that?  Women have more rights than ever, yet, their happiness quotient is down.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that more  power does not always bring freedom.  Arguing against abortion as a way to bring women freedom, was indeed one of my points.  I do believe that in the end, it does not bring happiness to women or society.  But lest anyone think I am proposing that women return to being second class citizens, I am not.  Yet, I do think that we&#8217;ve gone so far in the other direction that somehow, women did lose freedoms, such as the freedom to stay home and raise their children.  I do think that men, in general, once respected and valued their wives as mothers more.  Too many men expect their wives to make money and then come home and do most of the childcare and housework.  In the end, this reality has taken away freedom and made life harder for women.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t we push them into the hectic fulltime schedules soon enough as it is?&quot;

Ha! You said it Claire.  I&#039;m a stay at home/homeschooling mom, and you know, I am not entirely sure I am liking this ride.  I don&#039;t mean the homeschooling part, I mean all the other stuff--the sports and scouts and church and all this other stuff just so the kids can be &quot;socialized&quot;. 

And you know, I was thinking about it: when I was a kid, I went to school, then went over to my friends.  It was a given.  Half the time, I might as well slept there (and they at my house on occasion).  It was no big deal to just go over to someone&#039;s house.  Everyone did that.  During the summer we&#039;d hop our bikes and hit the road (this was say, from age 9 to 16 or so).  Bye Mom, see ya later!  We&#039;d be out for hours.

Not anymore.  Now it is all about the &quot;Playdate.&quot;  My kids can&#039;t play with their friends (for the most part) unless there is prior parental approval of schedules and all that.  Really sad.

And no, you DON&#039;T need full time preschool.  There is nothing wrong with part-time preschool (all 3 of my boys did that) or even no preschool.  Actually, there can definately be problems with &quot;other care&quot; at too early an age.  We have some &quot;socialization&quot; difficulties with one of our sons, and I can&#039;t help but wonder if the seeds for it weren&#039;t sewn back when he attended this one Montessori school half-time at age 3.  (Of course, the oldest son had lots of &quot;other care&quot; at an early age as well, and he&#039;s my most compliant. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t we push them into the hectic fulltime schedules soon enough as it is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha! You said it Claire.  I&#8217;m a stay at home/homeschooling mom, and you know, I am not entirely sure I am liking this ride.  I don&#8217;t mean the homeschooling part, I mean all the other stuff&#8211;the sports and scouts and church and all this other stuff just so the kids can be &#8220;socialized&#8221;. </p>
<p>And you know, I was thinking about it: when I was a kid, I went to school, then went over to my friends.  It was a given.  Half the time, I might as well slept there (and they at my house on occasion).  It was no big deal to just go over to someone&#8217;s house.  Everyone did that.  During the summer we&#8217;d hop our bikes and hit the road (this was say, from age 9 to 16 or so).  Bye Mom, see ya later!  We&#8217;d be out for hours.</p>
<p>Not anymore.  Now it is all about the &#8220;Playdate.&#8221;  My kids can&#8217;t play with their friends (for the most part) unless there is prior parental approval of schedules and all that.  Really sad.</p>
<p>And no, you DON&#8217;T need full time preschool.  There is nothing wrong with part-time preschool (all 3 of my boys did that) or even no preschool.  Actually, there can definately be problems with &#8220;other care&#8221; at too early an age.  We have some &#8220;socialization&#8221; difficulties with one of our sons, and I can&#8217;t help but wonder if the seeds for it weren&#8217;t sewn back when he attended this one Montessori school half-time at age 3.  (Of course, the oldest son had lots of &#8220;other care&#8221; at an early age as well, and he&#8217;s my most compliant. )</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>khan47, you make a really good point.  There are some stay-at-home moms who put their kids in almost fulltime preschool so they can pursue outside activities.  It definitely seems to defeat the purpose of being a SAHM.  I had an argument to this effect at a party the other night.  An acquaintance, who is an elementary school speech therapist, was recommending a preschool for me to send my son to when he gets older.  This particular preschool only has a full-time program.  When I pointed out that I couldn&#039;t afford fulltime preschool since I only work very part-time, and that fulltime preschool defeats the purpose of me staying home most of the time, she adamantly disagreed.  She feels that fulltime preschool is essential to learning social skills, etc.  Why a four year old needs to be in school fulltime to learn social skills is beyond me.  Don&#039;t we push them into hectic fulltime schedules soon enough as it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khan47, you make a really good point.  There are some stay-at-home moms who put their kids in almost fulltime preschool so they can pursue outside activities.  It definitely seems to defeat the purpose of being a SAHM.  I had an argument to this effect at a party the other night.  An acquaintance, who is an elementary school speech therapist, was recommending a preschool for me to send my son to when he gets older.  This particular preschool only has a full-time program.  When I pointed out that I couldn&#8217;t afford fulltime preschool since I only work very part-time, and that fulltime preschool defeats the purpose of me staying home most of the time, she adamantly disagreed.  She feels that fulltime preschool is essential to learning social skills, etc.  Why a four year old needs to be in school fulltime to learn social skills is beyond me.  Don&#8217;t we push them into hectic fulltime schedules soon enough as it is?</p>
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		<title>By: jackster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Population control and eugenics extremist influences within the UN are largely behind it. They are carrying out an orchestrated plan Evidence this 1969 UN document.
http://uscl.info/edoc/doc.php?doc_id=49&amp;action=inline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Population control and eugenics extremist influences within the UN are largely behind it. They are carrying out an orchestrated plan Evidence this 1969 UN document.<br />
<a href="http://uscl.info/edoc/doc.php?doc_id=49&amp;action=inline" rel="nofollow">http://uscl.info/edoc/doc.php?doc_id=49&amp;action=inline</a></p>
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		<title>By: khan47</title>
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		<dc:creator>khan47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. A couple thoughts. Some of the stay-at-home moms I know are gone and invested in other activities away from the home for more time than the working moms I know. It&#039;s an interesting trend I&#039;ve noticed over time - no doubt moms still need outlets and adult interaction but I think it can also be taken to the extreme where a family does not benefit from a parent staying at home because they are, in fact, not there much.

My husband is a Catholic school teacher and though we live in a fairly reasonably priced housing market, there&#039;s no way we could get by on his income alone (the benefits are so high, too). Working for the Church certainly has many perks in this life and the next, but allowing for a credible income to provide for an even moderately large family is not one of them. My husband is very talented and has been able to string together some work on the side, and I consider myself lucky to work only part-time, and we&#039;re able to make ends meet. It&#039;s not ideal but we are very blessed to have family who watches our child when we are both working, giving peace of mind and saving childcare expenses significantly. I can definitely appreciate the way our limited income has pushed us to prioritize our spending and stretch our income to the fullest, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. A couple thoughts. Some of the stay-at-home moms I know are gone and invested in other activities away from the home for more time than the working moms I know. It&#8217;s an interesting trend I&#8217;ve noticed over time &#8211; no doubt moms still need outlets and adult interaction but I think it can also be taken to the extreme where a family does not benefit from a parent staying at home because they are, in fact, not there much.</p>
<p>My husband is a Catholic school teacher and though we live in a fairly reasonably priced housing market, there&#8217;s no way we could get by on his income alone (the benefits are so high, too). Working for the Church certainly has many perks in this life and the next, but allowing for a credible income to provide for an even moderately large family is not one of them. My husband is very talented and has been able to string together some work on the side, and I consider myself lucky to work only part-time, and we&#8217;re able to make ends meet. It&#8217;s not ideal but we are very blessed to have family who watches our child when we are both working, giving peace of mind and saving childcare expenses significantly. I can definitely appreciate the way our limited income has pushed us to prioritize our spending and stretch our income to the fullest, though.</p>
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		<title>By: seebert</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 39 year old autistic father of a child with CP, and boy did I ever choose the wrong career (software engineering).  Luckily, my wife had a background in daycare growing up- her mother did it also to help make ends meet- so my child has enjoyed having a stay-at-home parent for all but 3 weeks of his life, despite us both &quot;working&quot;.  

It&#039;s a bit hard- got to clean up at the end of every weekend, because as of Monday-Friday, the front half of the house is &quot;daycare&quot;, limiting us to only 4 rooms of an 8 room house to live in.  But it&#039;s been great for the first 6 years of my son&#039;s life, and it&#039;s nice to know I have a backup in my incredibly unstable industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 39 year old autistic father of a child with CP, and boy did I ever choose the wrong career (software engineering).  Luckily, my wife had a background in daycare growing up- her mother did it also to help make ends meet- so my child has enjoyed having a stay-at-home parent for all but 3 weeks of his life, despite us both &#8220;working&#8221;.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit hard- got to clean up at the end of every weekend, because as of Monday-Friday, the front half of the house is &#8220;daycare&#8221;, limiting us to only 4 rooms of an 8 room house to live in.  But it&#8217;s been great for the first 6 years of my son&#8217;s life, and it&#8217;s nice to know I have a backup in my incredibly unstable industry.</p>
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