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		<title>By: grumpydude</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/09/23/114751/comment-page-1/#comment-42941</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpydude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Shea---always enlightening to read and listen to you.

I had a realization about atheists after hearing the debate between Daniel Dennett and Dinesh D&#039;Sousa.  Dr. Dennett compared religion to nurse crops.  The purpose of a nurse crop is to give the choice crop a better chance of success, so you plant it alongside the intended crop, and once the nurse crop has done its thing, it is mowed and the intended crop can then grow to maturity.  I am not sure that I have heard a major atheist degrade his faith so badly--or so publicly.  Is saying that atheism has *required* religion in order to exist?  (and didn&#039;t Chesterton say something about that?)  Furthermore, does one plant just one nurse crop, or one every year?  Do atheists really require this much nursing?  My guess is &#039;yes&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Shea&#8212;always enlightening to read and listen to you.</p>
<p>I had a realization about atheists after hearing the debate between Daniel Dennett and Dinesh D&#8217;Sousa.  Dr. Dennett compared religion to nurse crops.  The purpose of a nurse crop is to give the choice crop a better chance of success, so you plant it alongside the intended crop, and once the nurse crop has done its thing, it is mowed and the intended crop can then grow to maturity.  I am not sure that I have heard a major atheist degrade his faith so badly&#8211;or so publicly.  Is saying that atheism has *required* religion in order to exist?  (and didn&#8217;t Chesterton say something about that?)  Furthermore, does one plant just one nurse crop, or one every year?  Do atheists really require this much nursing?  My guess is &#8216;yes&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: plowshare</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Shea, as usual, does an excellent job of capturing the mindset of the New Atheists.  I might add that a variation on Objections 3 and 4 by Bertrand Russell is often quoted by admiring atheists--unaware that Russell was hoist by his own petard in the presence of Malcolm Muggeridge.  Russell wrote in _Human Society in Ethics and Politics_ (Simon and Schuster, 1954):

 &quot;There is something feeble, and a little contemptible, about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comforting myths.  Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting.  But he dare not face this thought, and he therefore cannot carry his own reflections to any logical conclusion.  Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.&quot;

  Malcolm Muggeridge wrote the following, in _Esquire_, Dec. 1970, p. 157:
  &quot;The liberal assault on Christianity has been undertaken with a fury and fervor which today, when the battle seems to have been conclusively won, is difficult to comprehend.  I well remember to my surprise, in a television encounter with Bertrand Russell, at discovering in him an almost demented hatred of Christianity, to which he attributed all the horrors and misfortunes mankind has had to endure since the fall of the Roman Empire.  As I attempted to confute this view, I found myself watching in fascination a red flush which rose steadily up his thin stringy neck and spread to his face. ... The script of this strange encounter is still extant, and reveals the philosopher in a most unphilosophic mood, roaring and bellowing like any atheist orator at Hyde Park Corner.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Shea, as usual, does an excellent job of capturing the mindset of the New Atheists.  I might add that a variation on Objections 3 and 4 by Bertrand Russell is often quoted by admiring atheists&#8211;unaware that Russell was hoist by his own petard in the presence of Malcolm Muggeridge.  Russell wrote in _Human Society in Ethics and Politics_ (Simon and Schuster, 1954):</p>
<p> &#8220;There is something feeble, and a little contemptible, about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comforting myths.  Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting.  But he dare not face this thought, and he therefore cannot carry his own reflections to any logical conclusion.  Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Malcolm Muggeridge wrote the following, in _Esquire_, Dec. 1970, p. 157:<br />
  &#8220;The liberal assault on Christianity has been undertaken with a fury and fervor which today, when the battle seems to have been conclusively won, is difficult to comprehend.  I well remember to my surprise, in a television encounter with Bertrand Russell, at discovering in him an almost demented hatred of Christianity, to which he attributed all the horrors and misfortunes mankind has had to endure since the fall of the Roman Empire.  As I attempted to confute this view, I found myself watching in fascination a red flush which rose steadily up his thin stringy neck and spread to his face. &#8230; The script of this strange encounter is still extant, and reveals the philosopher in a most unphilosophic mood, roaring and bellowing like any atheist orator at Hyde Park Corner.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: florian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PrairieHawk as Chesterton said &quot;The man of the nineteenth century did not
disbelieve in the Resurrection because his liberal Christianity allowed him
to doubt it.  He disbelieved in it because his very strict materialism
did not allow him to believe it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PrairieHawk as Chesterton said &#8220;The man of the nineteenth century did not<br />
disbelieve in the Resurrection because his liberal Christianity allowed him<br />
to doubt it.  He disbelieved in it because his very strict materialism<br />
did not allow him to believe it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mandrivnyk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant, Mark. I can think of a few friends I would rather like to have read this. Except, of course, for the fact that (as you point out) rational argumentation never seems to go very far with those who really don&#039;t want to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, Mark. I can think of a few friends I would rather like to have read this. Except, of course, for the fact that (as you point out) rational argumentation never seems to go very far with those who really don&#8217;t want to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: mrteachersir</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I can summarize Mark&#039;s point: much of New Atheist&#039;s drivel are words that are &quot;full of sound and fury signifying nothing.&quot;  They lack taking their arguments to the next logical step, or they fail to realize the consequences of their statements.  But hey!  It sounds fancy, so it must be true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I can summarize Mark&#8217;s point: much of New Atheist&#8217;s drivel are words that are &#8220;full of sound and fury signifying nothing.&#8221;  They lack taking their arguments to the next logical step, or they fail to realize the consequences of their statements.  But hey!  It sounds fancy, so it must be true!</p>
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		<title>By: PrairieHawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wise man said (perhaps it was Mark, I don&#039;t recall), &quot;The nonbeliever absolutely must NOT believe. The believer is free to believe or not.&quot; Atheists have painted themselves into a corner, and if anything big ever happens that is indisputably of God, they&#039;re going to scatter like rats. Or find ever hoakier and impossible &quot;scientific&quot; explanations for phenomena like the sun dancing in the sky at Fatima. Mass hypnosis, perhaps?

Mark, I would really like to see you debate Dawkins or one of these New Atheists on CE. Or maybe your opponent would insist on a neutral meeting place, which would be fine as long as the event was well-publicized to CE readers. I think it would be an incredible exposition and, if we&#039;re lucky, may even win a few converts to the Gospel. Mark and Mary, can something like that be arranged?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wise man said (perhaps it was Mark, I don&#8217;t recall), &#8220;The nonbeliever absolutely must NOT believe. The believer is free to believe or not.&#8221; Atheists have painted themselves into a corner, and if anything big ever happens that is indisputably of God, they&#8217;re going to scatter like rats. Or find ever hoakier and impossible &#8220;scientific&#8221; explanations for phenomena like the sun dancing in the sky at Fatima. Mass hypnosis, perhaps?</p>
<p>Mark, I would really like to see you debate Dawkins or one of these New Atheists on CE. Or maybe your opponent would insist on a neutral meeting place, which would be fine as long as the event was well-publicized to CE readers. I think it would be an incredible exposition and, if we&#8217;re lucky, may even win a few converts to the Gospel. Mark and Mary, can something like that be arranged?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Jewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Jewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Shea, you are the epitome of faith and reason at home in one soul.

Of course, it has long been obvious that atheism &#039;has faith in its presumption and self-service that it has no faith in God&#039;. And, there is nothing about actual science that argues for this &#039;faith&#039; they possess; in facts, as time passes, science proves their faith is surely no one true faith. Consider the miraculous, about which even atheist-leaning evolutionists bow to the fact of miracles, even as they claim no shred of understanding. For, what true faith can argue against the miraculous with that unstudied New-Age-of-Enlightenment arrogance, for which read: stupidity? Then again, stupidity has always depended upon presumption and been at heart self-service. I ought to know: I have been stupid over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Shea, you are the epitome of faith and reason at home in one soul.</p>
<p>Of course, it has long been obvious that atheism &#8216;has faith in its presumption and self-service that it has no faith in God&#8217;. And, there is nothing about actual science that argues for this &#8216;faith&#8217; they possess; in facts, as time passes, science proves their faith is surely no one true faith. Consider the miraculous, about which even atheist-leaning evolutionists bow to the fact of miracles, even as they claim no shred of understanding. For, what true faith can argue against the miraculous with that unstudied New-Age-of-Enlightenment arrogance, for which read: stupidity? Then again, stupidity has always depended upon presumption and been at heart self-service. I ought to know: I have been stupid over and over again.</p>
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