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	<title>Comments on: The Institution Formerly Known as Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: lidiapurple</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/06/13/119461/comment-page-1/#comment-40578</link>
		<dc:creator>lidiapurple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is so right, yet I wish the author would have taken one paragraph to address what both theshahid and elkabrikir have mentioned.  Contraception is most definitely the elephant sitting on the coffe table.  I saved an article written about 5 years ago by a Christian Pastor who nailed this concept.  It&#039;s in the Wall Street Jornal opinion archives now.  Well worth your time to read it.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004760</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is so right, yet I wish the author would have taken one paragraph to address what both theshahid and elkabrikir have mentioned.  Contraception is most definitely the elephant sitting on the coffe table.  I saved an article written about 5 years ago by a Christian Pastor who nailed this concept.  It&#8217;s in the Wall Street Jornal opinion archives now.  Well worth your time to read it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004760" rel="nofollow">http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004760</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the saying goes: the best defense is a good offense.  We must celebrate, support, encourage, and celebrate again -- all traditional male/female marriages.  We must do everything we can to get the divorce rates in traditional marriages down.  We have plenty of work to do here and it&#039;s important not to lose sight of that.  For a long time, many people have lost touch with the fact that marriage takes a great deal of work.  With divorce rates as high as they are, is it any wonder why same sex marriages are being recognized in the courts?  

So all you marrieds -- celebrate, support, encourage, and celebrate again!  May the light of Christ shine forth in these man and wife unions - we don&#039;t need the courts&#039; consent to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the saying goes: the best defense is a good offense.  We must celebrate, support, encourage, and celebrate again &#8212; all traditional male/female marriages.  We must do everything we can to get the divorce rates in traditional marriages down.  We have plenty of work to do here and it&#8217;s important not to lose sight of that.  For a long time, many people have lost touch with the fact that marriage takes a great deal of work.  With divorce rates as high as they are, is it any wonder why same sex marriages are being recognized in the courts?  </p>
<p>So all you marrieds &#8212; celebrate, support, encourage, and celebrate again!  May the light of Christ shine forth in these man and wife unions &#8211; we don&#8217;t need the courts&#8217; consent to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
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		<dc:creator>elkabrikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the shahids,

Thanks for catching my error....a baby was crawling on me and I lost my words in cyber-space!  I left a key word out.  The sentence SHOULD have read,
&quot;The widespread practice of contraception by married Christians has born this rotted fruit.&quot;

The Holy Spirit just showed me that my sentence became unintelligible because I eliminated my main point:  contraceptive use is deadly to marriage.  So, too, contraception use eliminates the end of conjugal love: procreation. 

to theshahids: on a personal note, one day you&#039;ll get my Christmas Card!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the shahids,</p>
<p>Thanks for catching my error&#8230;.a baby was crawling on me and I lost my words in cyber-space!  I left a key word out.  The sentence SHOULD have read,<br />
&#8220;The widespread practice of contraception by married Christians has born this rotted fruit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Holy Spirit just showed me that my sentence became unintelligible because I eliminated my main point:  contraceptive use is deadly to marriage.  So, too, contraception use eliminates the end of conjugal love: procreation. </p>
<p>to theshahids: on a personal note, one day you&#8217;ll get my Christmas Card!</p>
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		<title>By: goral</title>
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		<dc:creator>goral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my high school Latin class we had a habit of preceding our response to Mrs. Humphrey’s questions - I thought that …. 
Mrs. Humphrey would always respond; “don’t think, you’re not equipped to do that”
Of course it was tongue-in-cheek but it happened to be true as far as her Latin class was concerned.  Our thought process was flawed.

By its very nature as a secular institution serving all citizens, the law is gender blind. Its legalistic process is flawed in the area of metaphysics. Laws which pretend to treat moral conscience like interstate commerce will ultimately convict God.
Marriage and family are the very essence of the Trinity. 
What do the courts know about that? Nothing!

We are allowing and asking a know-nothing legal system to set spiritual matters straight. It cannot!
The double gated crusaders are legitimately enforcing their claim that there is discrimination present because there is, indeed for God&#039;s sake there must be discrimination present. In the definition of marriage the Church and all right minded people discriminate.

The back-to-front perverts know that an activist judiciary is their best friend. They stake their success in the courts and their flawed thinking. They will eventually own the word marriage. It will mean only same sex unions. The normal marriage will be called manage.
We will manage to keep our family intact. We will manage raising our children.
We will somehow manage to pay for all their perversions with our taxes and at the same time pay to protect our children from them.
Then at some point we will not be able to manage it anymore and as Solzhenitsyn
said, the whole cursed machine will come to a screeching halt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my high school Latin class we had a habit of preceding our response to Mrs. Humphrey’s questions &#8211; I thought that ….<br />
Mrs. Humphrey would always respond; “don’t think, you’re not equipped to do that”<br />
Of course it was tongue-in-cheek but it happened to be true as far as her Latin class was concerned.  Our thought process was flawed.</p>
<p>By its very nature as a secular institution serving all citizens, the law is gender blind. Its legalistic process is flawed in the area of metaphysics. Laws which pretend to treat moral conscience like interstate commerce will ultimately convict God.<br />
Marriage and family are the very essence of the Trinity.<br />
What do the courts know about that? Nothing!</p>
<p>We are allowing and asking a know-nothing legal system to set spiritual matters straight. It cannot!<br />
The double gated crusaders are legitimately enforcing their claim that there is discrimination present because there is, indeed for God&#8217;s sake there must be discrimination present. In the definition of marriage the Church and all right minded people discriminate.</p>
<p>The back-to-front perverts know that an activist judiciary is their best friend. They stake their success in the courts and their flawed thinking. They will eventually own the word marriage. It will mean only same sex unions. The normal marriage will be called manage.<br />
We will manage to keep our family intact. We will manage raising our children.<br />
We will somehow manage to pay for all their perversions with our taxes and at the same time pay to protect our children from them.<br />
Then at some point we will not be able to manage it anymore and as Solzhenitsyn<br />
said, the whole cursed machine will come to a screeching halt.</p>
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		<title>By: theshahids</title>
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		<dc:creator>theshahids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elkabrikir,

You said, 

&quot;The widespread practice of married Christians has born this rotted fruit.&quot;

I believe that the root of this entire issue is the widespread acceptance and use of contraception.  There is very little spiritual difference between heterosexual contraceptive intercourse and homosexual intercourse.  As gross as that sounds, it&#039;s true if you really stop to think about it. 

In our contraceptive society, therefore, there is really no rational argument against same-sex marriage.  The author gets as close as can be gotten when he said, &quot;the purpose of marriage is to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another.&quot;  That boils down to &quot;unitive and procreative.&quot;  We, as a society, have essentially done away with the &quot;procreative&quot; aspect, except only at the express will and intent of parents.  Unfortunately, one can argue that a trip to the sperm bank (for both the donor and receiver) is an expression of will and intent to be a parent.  This pretty much opens the door to any gross distortion of marriage that you want.  Want to marry two guys, or girls? How about 50?  How about a young consenting minor? HOw about your dog, or cat, or horse?  Go for it! It&#039;s all within reach in Iowa and soon within our entire sick, contraceptive country.  

Lord, Please help us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elkabrikir,</p>
<p>You said, </p>
<p>&#8220;The widespread practice of married Christians has born this rotted fruit.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that the root of this entire issue is the widespread acceptance and use of contraception.  There is very little spiritual difference between heterosexual contraceptive intercourse and homosexual intercourse.  As gross as that sounds, it&#8217;s true if you really stop to think about it. </p>
<p>In our contraceptive society, therefore, there is really no rational argument against same-sex marriage.  The author gets as close as can be gotten when he said, &#8220;the purpose of marriage is to attach mothers and fathers to their children and to one another.&#8221;  That boils down to &#8220;unitive and procreative.&#8221;  We, as a society, have essentially done away with the &#8220;procreative&#8221; aspect, except only at the express will and intent of parents.  Unfortunately, one can argue that a trip to the sperm bank (for both the donor and receiver) is an expression of will and intent to be a parent.  This pretty much opens the door to any gross distortion of marriage that you want.  Want to marry two guys, or girls? How about 50?  How about a young consenting minor? HOw about your dog, or cat, or horse?  Go for it! It&#8217;s all within reach in Iowa and soon within our entire sick, contraceptive country.  </p>
<p>Lord, Please help us!</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
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		<dc:creator>elkabrikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the Twilight Zone?

Certainly &quot;Christian Marriage&quot; and Christian Purity will mark individuals as authentic followers of Christ in the 21st century as it did in the 1st Century.  For, gender-neutral marriage is simply the opposite side of the &quot;single motherhood&quot; coin. Dan Quayle knew what Murphy Brown could only sneer at:  Kids need moms and dads who are married to each other.

The widespread practice of married Christians has born this rotted fruit.

great article....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the Twilight Zone?</p>
<p>Certainly &#8220;Christian Marriage&#8221; and Christian Purity will mark individuals as authentic followers of Christ in the 21st century as it did in the 1st Century.  For, gender-neutral marriage is simply the opposite side of the &#8220;single motherhood&#8221; coin. Dan Quayle knew what Murphy Brown could only sneer at:  Kids need moms and dads who are married to each other.</p>
<p>The widespread practice of married Christians has born this rotted fruit.</p>
<p>great article&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: PrairieHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrairieHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God we have in the Catholic Church the Sacrament of Marriage, necessarily between one man and one woman, for the consolation and perfection of the spouses and for the procreation and upbringing of children. The Church has the opportunity here to witness to true marriage. I worry, though, about what&#039;s going to happen when the powers that be get around to attempting to force their definition of &quot;marriage&quot; on religious institutions, and the Catholic Church refuses to play along. Will priests be fined or go to jail? Another article on today&#039;s CE talks about conscience protections being revoked for medical professionals; will the same happen for clergy? It&#039;s pretty scary if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God we have in the Catholic Church the Sacrament of Marriage, necessarily between one man and one woman, for the consolation and perfection of the spouses and for the procreation and upbringing of children. The Church has the opportunity here to witness to true marriage. I worry, though, about what&#8217;s going to happen when the powers that be get around to attempting to force their definition of &#8220;marriage&#8221; on religious institutions, and the Catholic Church refuses to play along. Will priests be fined or go to jail? Another article on today&#8217;s CE talks about conscience protections being revoked for medical professionals; will the same happen for clergy? It&#8217;s pretty scary if you ask me.</p>
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