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		<title>By: Cheryl Dickow</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39371</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Dickow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jpckcmo,

With all due respect, when your comments reflect your feelings and become an argument as to why abortion and war are the &quot;same,&quot; you are not honoring Mother Church and Her teachings.  

It is very easy to lead others astray and when you put forth arguments such as you have, you give others a reason to think that abortion and war are equal, which the Church teaches they are not.  You may not intentionally give weight to such thinking but you are nonetheless.  So while your feelings can&#039;t be dictated by the Church, what you do with them certainly can be and as faithful Catholic ought to be as Scripture calls us all to such authority.

Like you, I have personal interests in Iraq and so my passions and convictions run deep but still must follow Church teachings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpckcmo,</p>
<p>With all due respect, when your comments reflect your feelings and become an argument as to why abortion and war are the &#8220;same,&#8221; you are not honoring Mother Church and Her teachings.  </p>
<p>It is very easy to lead others astray and when you put forth arguments such as you have, you give others a reason to think that abortion and war are equal, which the Church teaches they are not.  You may not intentionally give weight to such thinking but you are nonetheless.  So while your feelings can&#8217;t be dictated by the Church, what you do with them certainly can be and as faithful Catholic ought to be as Scripture calls us all to such authority.</p>
<p>Like you, I have personal interests in Iraq and so my passions and convictions run deep but still must follow Church teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: jpckcmo</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39365</link>
		<dc:creator>jpckcmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The &quot;These are my feelings&quot; argument is old because it is true.  Unlike my actions, which can be dictated by Church teachings, my feelings can only be influenced by those teachings because my feelings are based on my experiences.  I have no illusions about leading others astray.  I have way too much to learn myself.

2. I certainly am NOT saying that those killed before the war were less valuable than those who died after.  In fact, it is MY government that put Saddam Hussein in power.  It is MY government that created Osama Bin Laden.  I was what I thought a well-informed adult, and I participated in those things through apathy.

I have appreciated the respectful way you have conducted this discussion with me. It has given me many things to think about.  I hope that I have maintained the same tone; perhaps we will converse again some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The &#8220;These are my feelings&#8221; argument is old because it is true.  Unlike my actions, which can be dictated by Church teachings, my feelings can only be influenced by those teachings because my feelings are based on my experiences.  I have no illusions about leading others astray.  I have way too much to learn myself.</p>
<p>2. I certainly am NOT saying that those killed before the war were less valuable than those who died after.  In fact, it is MY government that put Saddam Hussein in power.  It is MY government that created Osama Bin Laden.  I was what I thought a well-informed adult, and I participated in those things through apathy.</p>
<p>I have appreciated the respectful way you have conducted this discussion with me. It has given me many things to think about.  I hope that I have maintained the same tone; perhaps we will converse again some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Dickow</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39362</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Dickow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the old &quot;These are my feelings&quot; argument. While there are a tremendous amount of problems with this argument the two I would offer:

1.  Study Church teaching on abortion versus war.  Once you read Church teaching, if you choose to not be under the authority of the Catholic Church and her teaching, that is your business but it is best not to lead other Catholics astray.

2.  Are you saying that the people killed by the regime in place prior to our involvement in Iraq were less valuable than those who died afterwards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the old &#8220;These are my feelings&#8221; argument. While there are a tremendous amount of problems with this argument the two I would offer:</p>
<p>1.  Study Church teaching on abortion versus war.  Once you read Church teaching, if you choose to not be under the authority of the Catholic Church and her teaching, that is your business but it is best not to lead other Catholics astray.</p>
<p>2.  Are you saying that the people killed by the regime in place prior to our involvement in Iraq were less valuable than those who died afterwards?</p>
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		<title>By: jpckcmo</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39361</link>
		<dc:creator>jpckcmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, innocent blood is innocent blood, no matter whose is being shed or where it is being shed.  The blood on my hands is real to me, just as it would be on yours in the situation you described.  Preemptive war is as abhorant to me as abortion.  Those are my feelings; they cannot be &quot;wrong,&quot; because they are mine.  I do not have the right to impose them on other people, but they can guide my actions, hopefully in productive ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, innocent blood is innocent blood, no matter whose is being shed or where it is being shed.  The blood on my hands is real to me, just as it would be on yours in the situation you described.  Preemptive war is as abhorant to me as abortion.  Those are my feelings; they cannot be &#8220;wrong,&#8221; because they are mine.  I do not have the right to impose them on other people, but they can guide my actions, hopefully in productive ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Dickow</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39341</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Dickow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion and Iraq are not on the same playing field.</description>
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		<title>By: jpckcmo</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39337</link>
		<dc:creator>jpckcmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even leading economists disagree about the right strategy to solve this crisis.  I am not an economist, but I know that if I were out of a job or losing my home, I would be willing to try something different than what has been done up until now.  I know it is scary, and I fear for my children, also. My larger point is that to blame Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or anyone solely for the predicament we are in does no one any good. 

I feel the way you do about abortion as it applies to the war in Iraq, where so many thousands have died for a war that was, in my opinion, unnecessary.  That is blood on my hands that I deal with every day.  We all have these issues to deal with as administrations change, and I know it is difficult for me to not attack the person, but the policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even leading economists disagree about the right strategy to solve this crisis.  I am not an economist, but I know that if I were out of a job or losing my home, I would be willing to try something different than what has been done up until now.  I know it is scary, and I fear for my children, also. My larger point is that to blame Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or anyone solely for the predicament we are in does no one any good. </p>
<p>I feel the way you do about abortion as it applies to the war in Iraq, where so many thousands have died for a war that was, in my opinion, unnecessary.  That is blood on my hands that I deal with every day.  We all have these issues to deal with as administrations change, and I know it is difficult for me to not attack the person, but the policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Dickow</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39331</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Dickow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jpckcmo,

It is quite commonly known that the plans being implemented by this administration will burden future generations with unbearable debt.  To even imagine that any short term gains that will have such consequences can possibly be worth it is, in my opinion, selfish.  

Additionally, even if my own personal wealth were to quadruple within the next year I would consider it blood money because of the obama pro-abort stand, appointments, and use of federal monies for such atrocities as stem cell research and the reversal of the Mexico City policy.  

I do not want that sort of money in my pocket or on my conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jpckcmo,</p>
<p>It is quite commonly known that the plans being implemented by this administration will burden future generations with unbearable debt.  To even imagine that any short term gains that will have such consequences can possibly be worth it is, in my opinion, selfish.  </p>
<p>Additionally, even if my own personal wealth were to quadruple within the next year I would consider it blood money because of the obama pro-abort stand, appointments, and use of federal monies for such atrocities as stem cell research and the reversal of the Mexico City policy.  </p>
<p>I do not want that sort of money in my pocket or on my conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: jpckcmo</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39328</link>
		<dc:creator>jpckcmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every administration inherits from the previous one.  It is true that Obama inherited much of the economic crisis from Bush&#039;s policies.  I do not agree with everything he is doing, and I agree it is unfair for him to blame everything on the Bush administration.  But just as Bush blamed 9/11 on Clinton&#039;s failure to get Osama Bin Laden, and just as he accused anyone who opposed the Iraq war of supporting the terrorists, it is the tendency of those in power to blame their woes on the other guy.  What is important now is to look objectively at the policies of this administration and determine which ones to support and which ones to not support.  Obama&#039;s honeymoon period will be over soon and he will be judged on his own merits.  Even when I don&#039;t agree with him, I hope that he can alleviate the economic suffering that so many people are experiencing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every administration inherits from the previous one.  It is true that Obama inherited much of the economic crisis from Bush&#8217;s policies.  I do not agree with everything he is doing, and I agree it is unfair for him to blame everything on the Bush administration.  But just as Bush blamed 9/11 on Clinton&#8217;s failure to get Osama Bin Laden, and just as he accused anyone who opposed the Iraq war of supporting the terrorists, it is the tendency of those in power to blame their woes on the other guy.  What is important now is to look objectively at the policies of this administration and determine which ones to support and which ones to not support.  Obama&#8217;s honeymoon period will be over soon and he will be judged on his own merits.  Even when I don&#8217;t agree with him, I hope that he can alleviate the economic suffering that so many people are experiencing.</p>
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		<title>By: goral</title>
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		<dc:creator>goral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Team &quot;O&quot; will wash their hands of any wrongdoing and will give us their own version of truth.
Because of the Cross we can withstand all manner of ignominy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Team &#8220;O&#8221; will wash their hands of any wrongdoing and will give us their own version of truth.<br />
Because of the Cross we can withstand all manner of ignominy.</p>
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		<title>By: krby34</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2009/04/10/117454/comment-page-1/#comment-39312</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own spin on the crucifixion that partners with Cheryl&#039;s point.

Cheryl&#039;s point being we focus on it because it binds us to our transgressions that require the wrath of God to be brought forth in punishment as is just reward for our sins and Jesus was the target of that wrath.

What it also should do is show us how in being like Jesus we should not ever shirk doing the right thing even if it is not our wrong to fix. Jesus made one plea (all be it in three different moments of prayer) at the Garden of Gethsemane for His Father to let the cup pass but not because He was unwilling to go to the cross but because He did not desire it. There are many things in our lives we are called to do that we did not play any part in its need to be done and like Jesus we are not required to desire our participation we should be willing to participate. And without doing all the spin doctoring to lay the blame somewhere else if it fails but take all the credit if it succeeds.

Take up the cross should carry two messages: 1) Own up to our part in the need for the cross to be a tool of God&#039;s wrath. 2) Do our part to carry out the reparation of sinful acts in the world no matter our culpability.

Jesus on this Good Friday as you hang upon the cross suffering let all our suffering join unto yours as a glorifying gift to our Father in heaven. That Jesus might make this suffering Holy so that all souls may be led to heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own spin on the crucifixion that partners with Cheryl&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>Cheryl&#8217;s point being we focus on it because it binds us to our transgressions that require the wrath of God to be brought forth in punishment as is just reward for our sins and Jesus was the target of that wrath.</p>
<p>What it also should do is show us how in being like Jesus we should not ever shirk doing the right thing even if it is not our wrong to fix. Jesus made one plea (all be it in three different moments of prayer) at the Garden of Gethsemane for His Father to let the cup pass but not because He was unwilling to go to the cross but because He did not desire it. There are many things in our lives we are called to do that we did not play any part in its need to be done and like Jesus we are not required to desire our participation we should be willing to participate. And without doing all the spin doctoring to lay the blame somewhere else if it fails but take all the credit if it succeeds.</p>
<p>Take up the cross should carry two messages: 1) Own up to our part in the need for the cross to be a tool of God&#8217;s wrath. 2) Do our part to carry out the reparation of sinful acts in the world no matter our culpability.</p>
<p>Jesus on this Good Friday as you hang upon the cross suffering let all our suffering join unto yours as a glorifying gift to our Father in heaven. That Jesus might make this suffering Holy so that all souls may be led to heaven.</p>
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