Comments on: First They Came for the Baptists http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/ Catholic News, Catholic Articles, Catholic Apologetics, Catholic Content, Catholic Information Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.2 By: Tarheel http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38473 Tarheel Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:14:21 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38473 It is a sad day in America when justice is trampled on so heavily. It appears that pro-death (aka pro-abortion) groups are using there political might and dollars to influence this case. Jury tampering? I think not. But somewhere along the way we Americans have accepted that it is right to end a life. After didn't a lawyer say somewhere it is not a lie until a certain point in time? What the jury shows to me is that we have confused with what is legal (abortion) is ethically correct. And this case is an instance where all Christians and our respective advocacy groups should come together to overturn and reverse this travesty of justice. I admire and respect Rev Hoye for doing what he does and did. It is a sad day in America when justice is trampled on so heavily. It appears that pro-death (aka pro-abortion) groups are using there political might and dollars to influence this case. Jury tampering? I think not. But somewhere along the way we Americans have accepted that it is right to end a life. After didn’t a lawyer say somewhere it is not a lie until a certain point in time? What the jury shows to me is that we have confused with what is legal (abortion) is ethically correct.

And this case is an instance where all Christians and our respective advocacy groups should come together to overturn and reverse this travesty of justice.

I admire and respect Rev Hoye for doing what he does and did.

]]> By: dennisofraleigh http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38470 dennisofraleigh Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:06:09 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38470 Don't know what happened to my first post. Just as well. I had misidentified the location of the trial. It was in Oakland, not Berkeley CA. Not that Oakland is that much less radical than Berkeley in its political leanings. Don't forget Ron "Red" Dellums represented Oakland voters in Washington for many, many years. They don't get much farther on the left than Dellums, for sure. The poster gadjmljj raised an issue that may turn in the reverends favor. If I were Rev. Hoye I would turn around and bring suit in Federal court for violations of my 1st amendment rights of free speech and assembly and that I was wrongly convicted. That way Catholic and Protestant advocacy groups could bring out their big guns. The abortnicks at the Oakland abortuary might wish they'd stayed in bed the day Rev. Hoye showed up. Don’t know what happened to my first post. Just as well. I had misidentified the location of the trial. It was in Oakland, not Berkeley CA. Not that Oakland is that much less radical than Berkeley in its political leanings. Don’t forget Ron “Red” Dellums represented Oakland voters in Washington for many, many years. They don’t get much farther on the left than Dellums, for sure.

The poster gadjmljj raised an issue that may turn in the reverends favor. If I were Rev. Hoye I would turn around and bring suit in Federal court for violations of my 1st amendment rights of free speech and assembly and that I was wrongly convicted. That way Catholic and Protestant advocacy groups could bring out their big guns. The abortnicks at the Oakland abortuary might wish they’d stayed in bed the day Rev. Hoye showed up.

]]> By: dennisofraleigh http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38469 dennisofraleigh Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:53:44 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38469 Of course it "can" happen *anywhere*, hypothetically. But please keep in mind the good reverend was plucking grain in one of the most radically leftist cities in the U.S., Berkeley, CA. That the jury voted to convict is no surprise to me. Had this travesty of justice occurred in Nashville, Duluth or Ft. Lauderdale I would have wondered out loud if Americans had finally taken leave of their senses. The population of Berkeley went over the deep end decades ago. I'll bet if someone were to commission a poll (Gallup, Harris, Zogby, etc.) among Berkely-ites you would find a disproportionate number opposed to any restriction on abortion (unlike the rest of the country in which less than 10% of those polled supported abortion at any time for any reason). As for the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" that Prattler of the House Nancy Pelosi is so fond of, no surprises there either. She is a big believer in contracepting fertility. Now she wants to extend that principle to "talk" radio. Call it "contraception of the airwaves." Of course it “can” happen *anywhere*, hypothetically. But please keep in mind the good reverend was plucking grain in one of the most radically leftist cities in the U.S., Berkeley, CA. That the jury voted to convict is no surprise to me. Had this travesty of justice occurred in Nashville, Duluth or Ft. Lauderdale I would have wondered out loud if Americans had finally taken leave of their senses. The population of Berkeley went over the deep end decades ago. I’ll bet if someone were to commission a poll (Gallup, Harris, Zogby, etc.) among Berkely-ites you would find a disproportionate number opposed to any restriction on abortion (unlike the rest of the country in which less than 10% of those polled supported abortion at any time for any reason).
As for the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” that Prattler of the House Nancy Pelosi is so fond of, no surprises there either. She is a big believer in contracepting fertility. Now she wants to extend that principle to “talk” radio. Call it “contraception of the airwaves.”

]]> By: Lucky Mom of 7 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38466 Lucky Mom of 7 Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:23:20 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38466 This is a travesty, but I think with the help of Mary Kochan and other warriors for life, it will bode well for us. Ghandi was murdered. MLK was assassinated. Jesus was executed. Ending abortion is going to take martyrs too. I hope Rev. Hoye is given a sentence proportionate to his crime--meaning he should be set free. However, according to what others have written about him here and according to his fearless actions which are documented to be perfect in charity on the videotapes, I think he is exactly the kind of leader the movement needs. He has inspired me. By the blood of Jesus we have already won the war. It's just that nasty technicality of fighting the battles with which we must still contend. Stay the course. Run the race to the end. For life, Lucky This is a travesty, but I think with the help of Mary Kochan and other warriors for life, it will bode well for us.

Ghandi was murdered. MLK was assassinated. Jesus was executed.

Ending abortion is going to take martyrs too.

I hope Rev. Hoye is given a sentence proportionate to his crime–meaning he should be set free. However, according to what others have written about him here and according to his fearless actions which are documented to be perfect in charity on the videotapes, I think he is exactly the kind of leader the movement needs. He has inspired me.

By the blood of Jesus we have already won the war. It’s just that nasty technicality of fighting the battles with which we must still contend. Stay the course. Run the race to the end.

For life, Lucky

]]> By: Arkanabar Ilarsadin http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38465 Arkanabar Ilarsadin Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:18:48 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38465 stevep, I'd think the defense lawyer OUGHT to have had such people removed from the jury for cause. And from what I've read about the case elsewhere, the judge should be impeached for not instructing the jury about the law under which Rev. Hoye was persecuted. stevep,
I’d think the defense lawyer OUGHT to have had such people removed from the jury for cause. And from what I’ve read about the case elsewhere, the judge should be impeached for not instructing the jury about the law under which Rev. Hoye was persecuted.

]]> By: Mary Kochan http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38462 Mary Kochan Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:11:28 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38462 What needs to happen is that 30 Christians with the same sign need to show up there and peacefully hold up their signs. Every time the pro-aborts try to block a sign, it should just multiply the number of Chrstians that show up the next time -- and don't forget the video camera. What needs to happen is that 30 Christians with the same sign need to show up there and peacefully hold up their signs. Every time the pro-aborts try to block a sign, it should just multiply the number of Chrstians that show up the next time — and don’t forget the video camera.

]]> By: gadjmljj http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38460 gadjmljj Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:39:49 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38460 Mary, Wouldn't it be illegal to purposely block someone's right to protest?? In the same way the courts say pro lifers can't BLOCK anyone from entering and practicing their rights. Isn't it against the rights of free speech that signs are purposely BLOCKED? I wonder what would happen to prolifers who did the same thing? I guarantee they'd be beat up in a heartbeat and the pro aborts would probably get away with it! Mary,
Wouldn’t it be illegal to purposely block someone’s right to protest??
In the same way the courts say pro lifers can’t BLOCK anyone from entering and practicing their rights. Isn’t it against the rights of free speech that signs are purposely BLOCKED? I wonder what would happen to prolifers who did the same thing? I guarantee they’d be beat up in a heartbeat and the pro aborts would probably get away with it!

]]> By: bambushka http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38458 bambushka Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:08:49 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38458 Only those who have the experience of being out on the sidewalks can sincerely understand what this man of God is going through. This position on the walk is a dangerous one, not for the timid. But it is also a blessed position because lives hang in the balance. With the growing government intervention, more and more sidewalk prayers and counselors will be seen as the aggressors, a real reason to always have the video camera going and the number of a good prolife attorney handy. We are fortunate here in my town to have a post-abortive organization just next door to one of our mills. In fact, the sidewalk counselors over look the parking lot of the mill from their parking lot. A perfect set up. One of the pregnancy resource centers is next door to Planned Parenthood and they share parking lots. Even so, they can never be assured that someone somewhere will call on the court system to take their right to speech from them. We need to come out of the comfort of our homes and fight this real and present battle along with others who have paid a dear price for what their Faith in God tells them to do. Gone are the times when we can say, “Let the other guy do it; I’ll pray for them.” All too soon, the other guy will be you. Only those who have the experience of being out on the sidewalks can sincerely understand what this man of God is going through. This position on the walk is a dangerous one, not for the timid. But it is also a blessed position because lives hang in the balance. With the growing government intervention, more and more sidewalk prayers and counselors will be seen as the aggressors, a real reason to always have the video camera going and the number of a good prolife attorney handy.
We are fortunate here in my town to have a post-abortive organization just next door to one of our mills. In fact, the sidewalk counselors over look the parking lot of the mill from their parking lot. A perfect set up. One of the pregnancy resource centers is next door to Planned Parenthood and they share parking lots. Even so, they can never be assured that someone somewhere will call on the court system to take their right to speech from them.
We need to come out of the comfort of our homes and fight this real and present battle along with others who have paid a dear price for what their Faith in God tells them to do. Gone are the times when we can say, “Let the other guy do it; I’ll pray for them.” All too soon, the other guy will be you.

]]> By: steve p http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38457 steve p Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:59:22 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38457 Mary, Even scarier that the jury saw the video and arrived at a quillty verdict. It would be interesting to poll the jury on how many of them had had an abortion, paid for an abortion, or transported someone to any abortion and how that affected their view of Rev. Hoye and his activity. It probably made them very uncomfortable and their votes may have reflected their feelings. Mary, Even scarier that the jury saw the video and arrived at a quillty verdict. It would be interesting to poll the jury on how many of them had had an abortion, paid for an abortion, or transported someone to any abortion and how that affected their view of Rev. Hoye and his activity. It probably made them very uncomfortable and their votes may have reflected their feelings.

]]> By: bambushka http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/comment-page-1/#comment-38456 bambushka Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:46:31 +0000 http://catholicexchange.com/2009/02/21/116145/#comment-38456 Only those who have the experience of being out on the sidewalks can sincerely understand what this man of God is going through. This position on the walk is a dangerous one, not for the timid. But it is also a blessed position because lives hang in the balance. With the growing government intervention, more and more sidewalk prayers and counselors will be seen as the aggressors, a real reason to always have the video camera going and the number of a good prolife attorney handy. We are fortunate here in my town to have a post-abortive organization just next door to one of our mills. In fact, the sidewalk counselors over look the parking lot of the mill from their parking lot. A perfect set up. One of the pregnancy resource centers is next door to Planned Parenthood and they share parking lots. Even so, they can never be assured that someone somewhere will call on the court system to take their right to speech from them. We need to come out of the comfort of our homes and fight this real and present battle along with others who have paid a dear price for what their Faith in God tells them to do. Gone are the times when we can say, “Let the other guy do it; I’ll pray for them.” All too soon, the other guy will be you. Only those who have the experience of being out on the sidewalks can sincerely understand what this man of God is going through. This position on the walk is a dangerous one, not for the timid. But it is also a blessed position because lives hang in the balance. With the growing government intervention, more and more sidewalk prayers and counselors will be seen as the aggressors, a real reason to always have the video camera going and the number of a good prolife attorney handy.

We are fortunate here in my town to have a post-abortive organization just next door to one of our mills. In fact, the sidewalk counselors over look the parking lot of the mill from their parking lot. A perfect set up. One of the pregnancy resource centers is next door to Planned Parenthood and they share parking lots. Even so, they can never be assured that someone somewhere will call on the court system to take their right to speech from them.

We need to come out of the comfort of our homes and fight this real and present battle along with others who have paid a dear price for what their Faith in God tells them to do. Gone are the times when we can say, “Let the other guy do it; I’ll pray for them.” All too soon, the other guy will be you.

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