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	<title>Comments on: Catholic Culture and the Election of Barack Obama</title>
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		<title>By: terrygeorge</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/12/02/114604/comment-page-1/#comment-36643</link>
		<dc:creator>terrygeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a sin to vote for a pro-abortion candidate when there is a viable pro-life candidate.  Our clergy did not do enough to communicate this.  i was shocked to here a priest outright state to the congregation that &quot;it is not a sin to vote for any candidate&quot;  menawhile I am trying to witness to my family in that parish about the importance of voting pro life.  they just asked me, is it a sin to vote for Obama, and said that their bishop had indicated that it was not.  how can the laity successfully do our part when we are being undermined by the very people who are suppossed to be our leaders?  i feel very strongly that my family members would have voted otherwise with proper formation of cosciences, which they heard talked about but clearly did not receive.

the bishops spent to much time talking about the exceptions which would allow someone to vote for a pro-abort candidate and not enough explaining why such exceptions did not apply in this election because their conditions were not fulfilled.  and the media was all to glad to show only the pro-abortion side of that!

this is a time when faithful catholics should respectfully yet firmly criticize our clergy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a sin to vote for a pro-abortion candidate when there is a viable pro-life candidate.  Our clergy did not do enough to communicate this.  i was shocked to here a priest outright state to the congregation that &#8220;it is not a sin to vote for any candidate&#8221;  menawhile I am trying to witness to my family in that parish about the importance of voting pro life.  they just asked me, is it a sin to vote for Obama, and said that their bishop had indicated that it was not.  how can the laity successfully do our part when we are being undermined by the very people who are suppossed to be our leaders?  i feel very strongly that my family members would have voted otherwise with proper formation of cosciences, which they heard talked about but clearly did not receive.</p>
<p>the bishops spent to much time talking about the exceptions which would allow someone to vote for a pro-abort candidate and not enough explaining why such exceptions did not apply in this election because their conditions were not fulfilled.  and the media was all to glad to show only the pro-abortion side of that!</p>
<p>this is a time when faithful catholics should respectfully yet firmly criticize our clergy</p>
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		<title>By: jmtfh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmtfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomdundee--

Please leave the dead to rest in peace--the 4 nuns who died in Latin America may very well have been running guns (though I do not believe there is clear evidence of this)--but killing them was still a horrendous act. 

We were at the Franciscan University of Steubenville at the time and a dear friend that we met there, had just left the CIA to come to grad school at Franciscan U. He had a wife and four kids--and had been involved there for years. He spoke to us of Communists who had infiltrated the priesthood in Latin America. In my naiveté&#039; I was shocked and saddened. But the plight of Latin America then and now is way too complicated to reduce it to a few one liners. 
 
Let’s pray for a true renewal in all of our seminaries and among our priest and religious, as well as among us, the laity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomdundee&#8211;</p>
<p>Please leave the dead to rest in peace&#8211;the 4 nuns who died in Latin America may very well have been running guns (though I do not believe there is clear evidence of this)&#8211;but killing them was still a horrendous act. </p>
<p>We were at the Franciscan University of Steubenville at the time and a dear friend that we met there, had just left the CIA to come to grad school at Franciscan U. He had a wife and four kids&#8211;and had been involved there for years. He spoke to us of Communists who had infiltrated the priesthood in Latin America. In my naiveté&#8217; I was shocked and saddened. But the plight of Latin America then and now is way too complicated to reduce it to a few one liners. </p>
<p>Let’s pray for a true renewal in all of our seminaries and among our priest and religious, as well as among us, the laity!</p>
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		<title>By: bkeebler</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/12/02/114604/comment-page-1/#comment-36637</link>
		<dc:creator>bkeebler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded in reading this and the comments:  Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

2,000 years and strong, we may endure trials, conflicts, deceptions, persecutions of all sorts... hell in all its fury and seeming accomplishments will be stomped under by Christ and all those that are His. We are His to know the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded in reading this and the comments:  Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.</p>
<p>2,000 years and strong, we may endure trials, conflicts, deceptions, persecutions of all sorts&#8230; hell in all its fury and seeming accomplishments will be stomped under by Christ and all those that are His. We are His to know the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: noelfitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>noelfitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read:
he absolute failure of our church leaders to define for us what membership in the Church means — and then to enforce it — has led to the degradation of Catholic culture and the loss of meaning for things that are sacred...The degradation of Catholic culture is largely, but not exclusively, the fault of the clergy.

In these difficult times Catholics should support priests, bishops and the Pope.

Negative criticism of the clergy is not building up the people of God.

God bless, 

NoelFitz.
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In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read:<br />
he absolute failure of our church leaders to define for us what membership in the Church means — and then to enforce it — has led to the degradation of Catholic culture and the loss of meaning for things that are sacred&#8230;The degradation of Catholic culture is largely, but not exclusively, the fault of the clergy.</p>
<p>In these difficult times Catholics should support priests, bishops and the Pope.</p>
<p>Negative criticism of the clergy is not building up the people of God.</p>
<p>God bless, </p>
<p>NoelFitz.<br />
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<p>In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.<br />
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		<title>By: siobhan32</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just a tiny speck in the Catholic universe, but each year I teach my CCD class all that is NOT taught from the pulpit, including, but not limited to, mortal sin, saints, scripture, decalogue, credo, sanctifying grace, heaven, hell, purgatory and CATHOLIC PRAYERS in addition to their &#039;textbook&#039; (and I use the term loosely) which we dutifully use.  But out of over 500 kids, each year God deigns to grace me with all the &#039;holy&#039; children.  Amazing Grace, big time.
Thank you Father Tom for encapsulating all our ills into one succinct article.  It makes it easier to combat.  God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just a tiny speck in the Catholic universe, but each year I teach my CCD class all that is NOT taught from the pulpit, including, but not limited to, mortal sin, saints, scripture, decalogue, credo, sanctifying grace, heaven, hell, purgatory and CATHOLIC PRAYERS in addition to their &#8216;textbook&#8217; (and I use the term loosely) which we dutifully use.  But out of over 500 kids, each year God deigns to grace me with all the &#8216;holy&#8217; children.  Amazing Grace, big time.<br />
Thank you Father Tom for encapsulating all our ills into one succinct article.  It makes it easier to combat.  God bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elkabrikir, I&#039;m really impressed that your daughter had the courage and conviction to be so vocal in defense of the unborn at such a young age.  I hope that Jeffrey will be the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elkabrikir, I&#8217;m really impressed that your daughter had the courage and conviction to be so vocal in defense of the unborn at such a young age.  I hope that Jeffrey will be the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: tomdundee</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomdundee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Editorial.

I am not sure how the term clergy is defined in this writing, I don&#039;t know if it includes bishops..  The place to begin reinforcing the faith or enforcing the faith is with the bishops.  A number of them supported Obama.  Where does this leave the parish priest?

Continuing with those teaching contrary to the Roman Catholic Church, there are many examples going back for many years.  Cardinal Sin, of the Philippines, and a gun carrying bishop (I forget his name) who fought alongside the Communists to overthrow the Marcos govt.  Marcos had plenty of faults, but even at his worst, he still was better than the Communists.  Then the bishop who worked with Ortega of Nicarauga in the 1980s.  Father Pflegger, a close associate of Obama; a priest who has turned his pulpit over to Reverend Wright of Obama fame.  The 4 Maryknoll sisters killed in El Salvador during the 1980s were running guns for the Communists, a little something that did not get talked about.  The list is lengthy, but I will stop here.

Liberation theology, or the anti-US views of many of the clergy will destroy the Roman Catholic Church.  Anti-US views are just another more &#039;polite&#039; term for anti-Western views. The Roman Catholic Church has been at the center of Western Civilization since Peter set up the Papacy in Rome.  If the Church goes, so does Western Civilization.  

Wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Editorial.</p>
<p>I am not sure how the term clergy is defined in this writing, I don&#8217;t know if it includes bishops..  The place to begin reinforcing the faith or enforcing the faith is with the bishops.  A number of them supported Obama.  Where does this leave the parish priest?</p>
<p>Continuing with those teaching contrary to the Roman Catholic Church, there are many examples going back for many years.  Cardinal Sin, of the Philippines, and a gun carrying bishop (I forget his name) who fought alongside the Communists to overthrow the Marcos govt.  Marcos had plenty of faults, but even at his worst, he still was better than the Communists.  Then the bishop who worked with Ortega of Nicarauga in the 1980s.  Father Pflegger, a close associate of Obama; a priest who has turned his pulpit over to Reverend Wright of Obama fame.  The 4 Maryknoll sisters killed in El Salvador during the 1980s were running guns for the Communists, a little something that did not get talked about.  The list is lengthy, but I will stop here.</p>
<p>Liberation theology, or the anti-US views of many of the clergy will destroy the Roman Catholic Church.  Anti-US views are just another more &#8216;polite&#8217; term for anti-Western views. The Roman Catholic Church has been at the center of Western Civilization since Peter set up the Papacy in Rome.  If the Church goes, so does Western Civilization.  </p>
<p>Wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: redwallabbey13</title>
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		<dc:creator>redwallabbey13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Cheryl has recommended, Little Flowers (www.eccehompress.com) began as a reply to families seeking something deeper than secular groups such as Girl Scouts or encouragement to join Protestant church groups.

It is now in homes, school and parishes around the world begun by parents who want more.  While we may wish we didn&#039;t have to work so hard to keep our faith healthy and relevant we can be grateful we aren&#039;t facing down lions (yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Cheryl has recommended, Little Flowers (www.eccehompress.com) began as a reply to families seeking something deeper than secular groups such as Girl Scouts or encouragement to join Protestant church groups.</p>
<p>It is now in homes, school and parishes around the world begun by parents who want more.  While we may wish we didn&#8217;t have to work so hard to keep our faith healthy and relevant we can be grateful we aren&#8217;t facing down lions (yet).</p>
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		<title>By: RoodAwakening</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoodAwakening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parish&#039;s pastor and assistants all speak out about the sanctity of life clearly and often from the pulpit; indeed, our pastor was as pointed about the recent election as he could have been without naming names.  Nevertheless, many cars in the parking lot still proudly and loudly sported Obama stickers, parked right next to those with pro-life ones.

The psychological principal in play is that people simply don&#039;t want to be told what to do, and this is what many poorly-formed Catholics perceived was happening.  Everyone wants to be his or her own &quot;pope,&quot; after all.  A DENVER POST article indicates that many Catholics in that archdiocese DID, indeed, hear what their bishop (and the priests under his authority) had to say, but, rather than trusting him, very deliberately chose to disobey him: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10989489.

We are going to have many, many opportunities for prayer in the next four-to-eight years.  May God bless US all, AND have mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parish&#8217;s pastor and assistants all speak out about the sanctity of life clearly and often from the pulpit; indeed, our pastor was as pointed about the recent election as he could have been without naming names.  Nevertheless, many cars in the parking lot still proudly and loudly sported Obama stickers, parked right next to those with pro-life ones.</p>
<p>The psychological principal in play is that people simply don&#8217;t want to be told what to do, and this is what many poorly-formed Catholics perceived was happening.  Everyone wants to be his or her own &#8220;pope,&#8221; after all.  A DENVER POST article indicates that many Catholics in that archdiocese DID, indeed, hear what their bishop (and the priests under his authority) had to say, but, rather than trusting him, very deliberately chose to disobey him: <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10989489" rel="nofollow">http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10989489</a>.</p>
<p>We are going to have many, many opportunities for prayer in the next four-to-eight years.  May God bless US all, AND have mercy.</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father, thank you yet again for your holy vocation!

I left my previous parish of 17 years after an incident which happened immediately following mass in the narthex.  A married couple was signing people up for Disciples in Mission (DIM) and insinuated themselves vociferously into a conversation I was having with another parishioner about her Wesley Clark (of  &quot;life begins with the mother&#039;s choice infamy) button prominently displayed.  

This couple actually said that nobody should interfere with my right to abort my baby, I was 33 weeks pregnant at the time with my 9th child.  &quot;It&#039;s your right.  You&#039;d have to live with the consequences, but it&#039;s your right&quot;......and they lead the Middle School youth group?

The bizarre thing is that they&#039;re weekly adorers at our Perpetual Adoration Chapel.

The uplifting part of this scene was my 9 year old daughter saying to the &quot;pro choice&quot; woman, &quot;Oh!  So you think it&#039;s okay to kill unborn babies?&quot;  She repeated herself 3x while the woman protested to the characterization.  &quot;Methinks thou dost protest too much.&quot;

Our Church is being purified.  I pray that I and many more will be found faithful to the end.  &quot;Thank you, Lord Jesus for this opportunity to prove my love for you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father, thank you yet again for your holy vocation!</p>
<p>I left my previous parish of 17 years after an incident which happened immediately following mass in the narthex.  A married couple was signing people up for Disciples in Mission (DIM) and insinuated themselves vociferously into a conversation I was having with another parishioner about her Wesley Clark (of  &#8220;life begins with the mother&#8217;s choice infamy) button prominently displayed.  </p>
<p>This couple actually said that nobody should interfere with my right to abort my baby, I was 33 weeks pregnant at the time with my 9th child.  &#8220;It&#8217;s your right.  You&#8217;d have to live with the consequences, but it&#8217;s your right&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;and they lead the Middle School youth group?</p>
<p>The bizarre thing is that they&#8217;re weekly adorers at our Perpetual Adoration Chapel.</p>
<p>The uplifting part of this scene was my 9 year old daughter saying to the &#8220;pro choice&#8221; woman, &#8220;Oh!  So you think it&#8217;s okay to kill unborn babies?&#8221;  She repeated herself 3x while the woman protested to the characterization.  &#8220;Methinks thou dost protest too much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our Church is being purified.  I pray that I and many more will be found faithful to the end.  &#8220;Thank you, Lord Jesus for this opportunity to prove my love for you.&#8221;</p>
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