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		<title>By: asdwanamaker</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/11/08/114363/comment-page-1/#comment-35957</link>
		<dc:creator>asdwanamaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piper writes:

&lt;i&gt;These posters do have a place (ie; Obama rallies! and I disagree with a letter written by a woman to all our diocesan clergy - concerning how her 7 yr old was traumatized by these photos. She should know what her candidate endorses and accept the fallout)but again these photos should be sent directly to pro=choice politicians and not plastered on street corners where young ones can see them.&lt;/i&gt;

That is ONE place for them.   However, one of the reasons we&#039;re where we are today is that the pro-life community has focused too much time, energy and financial resources on legislative solutions.   

The problem is that those legislators aren&#039;t likely to change their minds until the hearts of a majority of their constituents cry out.   Sadly, the rage of the abortion advocacy is crying out louder than the holy outrage of pro-lifers at the ballot box.  And to the &quot;Catholic&quot; politicians you suggest we send these pictures to, the ballot box is where the loudest statement is made.

Not until the nation (as in the people) turn away from abortion will any legislative solutions take on any real meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piper writes:</p>
<p><i>These posters do have a place (ie; Obama rallies! and I disagree with a letter written by a woman to all our diocesan clergy &#8211; concerning how her 7 yr old was traumatized by these photos. She should know what her candidate endorses and accept the fallout)but again these photos should be sent directly to pro=choice politicians and not plastered on street corners where young ones can see them.</i></p>
<p>That is ONE place for them.   However, one of the reasons we&#8217;re where we are today is that the pro-life community has focused too much time, energy and financial resources on legislative solutions.   </p>
<p>The problem is that those legislators aren&#8217;t likely to change their minds until the hearts of a majority of their constituents cry out.   Sadly, the rage of the abortion advocacy is crying out louder than the holy outrage of pro-lifers at the ballot box.  And to the &#8220;Catholic&#8221; politicians you suggest we send these pictures to, the ballot box is where the loudest statement is made.</p>
<p>Not until the nation (as in the people) turn away from abortion will any legislative solutions take on any real meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminycricket</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/11/08/114363/comment-page-1/#comment-35943</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminycricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did we not see pictures from the mass media of some of our soldiers hanging from a bridge in Iraq?  Did we not see pictures of soldiers being dragged through the streets there and in other places like Somalia?  Anyone remember the photo of a South Vietnamese office shooting a VC conspirator in the head?  Do we remember the naked Vietnamese girl running down the road?  Do we not publicize squalid conditions for our vets?  Do we not publicize images of our vets with missing limbs?  Do we not publicize blood/painful pictures from suicide bombings throughout the world and also same type of pictures from the hospitals where they take the wounded?  These horrors of war are/were used effectively to turn the tide of public opinion.  I was a carrier of one of these pictures recently.  My photo faced the opposite side of traffic as it was stopped.  A man rolled down his window and absolutely screamed &quot;Do you mind?&quot;.  I responded, &quot;No sir, I do not mind at all&quot;.  He retorted violently, &quot;I have children in the car&quot;.  I responded back.  &quot;And I have one on the front of my sign&quot;.  I am certain that his kids heard the complete dialogue.  If I have sinned against my God and them for doing that, I ask forgiveness.  If I have moved them to see the child instead of the &quot;choice&quot;, all glory to God and may they be ever blessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did we not see pictures from the mass media of some of our soldiers hanging from a bridge in Iraq?  Did we not see pictures of soldiers being dragged through the streets there and in other places like Somalia?  Anyone remember the photo of a South Vietnamese office shooting a VC conspirator in the head?  Do we remember the naked Vietnamese girl running down the road?  Do we not publicize squalid conditions for our vets?  Do we not publicize images of our vets with missing limbs?  Do we not publicize blood/painful pictures from suicide bombings throughout the world and also same type of pictures from the hospitals where they take the wounded?  These horrors of war are/were used effectively to turn the tide of public opinion.  I was a carrier of one of these pictures recently.  My photo faced the opposite side of traffic as it was stopped.  A man rolled down his window and absolutely screamed &#8220;Do you mind?&#8221;.  I responded, &#8220;No sir, I do not mind at all&#8221;.  He retorted violently, &#8220;I have children in the car&#8221;.  I responded back.  &#8220;And I have one on the front of my sign&#8221;.  I am certain that his kids heard the complete dialogue.  If I have sinned against my God and them for doing that, I ask forgiveness.  If I have moved them to see the child instead of the &#8220;choice&#8221;, all glory to God and may they be ever blessed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Roeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Roeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Allies liberated the concentration camps in WWII, Eisenhower ordered his commanders to organize, man, and resource mandatory visits for the local citizens to force them to see what they had allowed.  He committed precious resources to this task while combat operations were still underway, not to be cruel and to shatter their innocence, but so it would not happen again.  

I believe we err in not forcing people to see the true evil of what is going on at industrial levels within our country to so many of our precious, innocent children. Therefore, it will continue to slay the babies at such monstrous levels, sheltered by our &quot;civilized manners.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Allies liberated the concentration camps in WWII, Eisenhower ordered his commanders to organize, man, and resource mandatory visits for the local citizens to force them to see what they had allowed.  He committed precious resources to this task while combat operations were still underway, not to be cruel and to shatter their innocence, but so it would not happen again.  </p>
<p>I believe we err in not forcing people to see the true evil of what is going on at industrial levels within our country to so many of our precious, innocent children. Therefore, it will continue to slay the babies at such monstrous levels, sheltered by our &#8220;civilized manners.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/11/08/114363/comment-page-1/#comment-35928</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too counsel women outside abortuaries and feel uncomfortable when others turn up with huge, photos of aborted babies. I have learned that women going in for abortion are more likely to come talk to calm, prayerful witnesses to Life! 

These posters do have a place (ie; Obama rallies! and I disagree with a letter written by a woman to all our diocesan clergy - concerning how her 7 yr old was traumatized by these photos. She should know what her candidate endorses and accept the fallout)but again these photos should be sent directly to pro=choice politicians and not plastered on street corners where young ones can see them. 

Keep praying for our countries leaders! God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too counsel women outside abortuaries and feel uncomfortable when others turn up with huge, photos of aborted babies. I have learned that women going in for abortion are more likely to come talk to calm, prayerful witnesses to Life! </p>
<p>These posters do have a place (ie; Obama rallies! and I disagree with a letter written by a woman to all our diocesan clergy &#8211; concerning how her 7 yr old was traumatized by these photos. She should know what her candidate endorses and accept the fallout)but again these photos should be sent directly to pro=choice politicians and not plastered on street corners where young ones can see them. </p>
<p>Keep praying for our countries leaders! God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting!  I agree with Mary that every parent has to use his or her own discretion, which we have done with our seven.  

Here&#039;s my story:  My parents never showed me graphic pictures, but I used to go to their bookshelves as a kid and look through their books.  One of the books I saw when I was still in elementary school was called &quot;Handbook on Abortion&quot; and had full color pictures of aborted children (it was a pro-life resource).  It was stunning to me, and I was STAUNCHLY pro-life ever since.  

I don&#039;t think my parents know to this day that I saw that book.  

For His good purposes, God must have needed me to see those photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting!  I agree with Mary that every parent has to use his or her own discretion, which we have done with our seven.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my story:  My parents never showed me graphic pictures, but I used to go to their bookshelves as a kid and look through their books.  One of the books I saw when I was still in elementary school was called &#8220;Handbook on Abortion&#8221; and had full color pictures of aborted children (it was a pro-life resource).  It was stunning to me, and I was STAUNCHLY pro-life ever since.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think my parents know to this day that I saw that book.  </p>
<p>For His good purposes, God must have needed me to see those photos.</p>
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		<title>By: wgsullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>wgsullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that keeps coming to mind when I read all the comments and the article is this: as part of our parish&#039;s upcoming mission we will have the diocesan Eucharistic Miracle display for all to peruse. Maybe that&#039;s who we need to do more focus on, maybe we need to have Him more on display and build from there. The change may start with our Catholic kids knowing Christ better and His miraculous gift the Eucharist.
Maybe if we educate all a bit better on the Christ in us, they would better understand how wrong it is to kill the Christ in others through abortion. Maybe they would see that if Christ chose, as man, to first dwell in the womb it must be a very holy place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that keeps coming to mind when I read all the comments and the article is this: as part of our parish&#8217;s upcoming mission we will have the diocesan Eucharistic Miracle display for all to peruse. Maybe that&#8217;s who we need to do more focus on, maybe we need to have Him more on display and build from there. The change may start with our Catholic kids knowing Christ better and His miraculous gift the Eucharist.<br />
Maybe if we educate all a bit better on the Christ in us, they would better understand how wrong it is to kill the Christ in others through abortion. Maybe they would see that if Christ chose, as man, to first dwell in the womb it must be a very holy place.</p>
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		<title>By: KMc</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/11/08/114363/comment-page-1/#comment-35916</link>
		<dc:creator>KMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother, who spent the last half of her life doing pro-life work, felt the same way about showing us all those pictures...of the 9 kids only 2 are solidly Catholic and pro-life.  I understand why she felt we needed to see those pictures, I respectfully disagree.  In explaning to my older boys what happens during an abortion I see it makes impact enough for now...the visual aid can wait a few years.  They are both &quot;in love&quot; with babies, pray for another sibling each night, and are eager to read the the pro-life material I out out at church -    They helped drop off our Baby Shower items collected around the Roe v. Wade anniversary = they were very moved by the volunteers at the pregnancy center who wept at the thousands of dollars of new baby items we were able to give to them...the discussions that followed were precious and life affirming even if we did discuss, in detail, the evils of abortion, the reasons why a woman might feel she has not other choice.  As noted, my boys are not livng in any box....they are doing front line work and I believe it is building a solid foundation for active pro-life work for them all in the future.
     The evidence I have seen first hand is that kindness will trump shock effect in most cases - kindness does not mean ignorance or forfeiting truth.  I could go on and on about the fruit of our &quot;positive&quot; approach to respect life work within our parish, many MANY lives have been changed a numbers of &quot;liberal&quot; Catholics have embraced now living a culture of life.  As with my own mother, I respectfully disagree, that does not mean those photos have NO place in pro-life work...they just, in MY opinion, have no place in my home or where children will view them without parents approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother, who spent the last half of her life doing pro-life work, felt the same way about showing us all those pictures&#8230;of the 9 kids only 2 are solidly Catholic and pro-life.  I understand why she felt we needed to see those pictures, I respectfully disagree.  In explaning to my older boys what happens during an abortion I see it makes impact enough for now&#8230;the visual aid can wait a few years.  They are both &#8220;in love&#8221; with babies, pray for another sibling each night, and are eager to read the the pro-life material I out out at church &#8211;    They helped drop off our Baby Shower items collected around the Roe v. Wade anniversary = they were very moved by the volunteers at the pregnancy center who wept at the thousands of dollars of new baby items we were able to give to them&#8230;the discussions that followed were precious and life affirming even if we did discuss, in detail, the evils of abortion, the reasons why a woman might feel she has not other choice.  As noted, my boys are not livng in any box&#8230;.they are doing front line work and I believe it is building a solid foundation for active pro-life work for them all in the future.<br />
     The evidence I have seen first hand is that kindness will trump shock effect in most cases &#8211; kindness does not mean ignorance or forfeiting truth.  I could go on and on about the fruit of our &#8220;positive&#8221; approach to respect life work within our parish, many MANY lives have been changed a numbers of &#8220;liberal&#8221; Catholics have embraced now living a culture of life.  As with my own mother, I respectfully disagree, that does not mean those photos have NO place in pro-life work&#8230;they just, in MY opinion, have no place in my home or where children will view them without parents approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Roeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Roeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for my sarcastic remarks.

Most children in the USA in middle school are pro-life; most who graduate form college are pro-choice.  We are losing the children.  I submit that most of them do not understand the reality of what an abortion is.

In order to protect our sensibilities, we have come to call abortion &quot;a woman&#039;s right to choose&quot; and many Americans of good will support such a poorly described &quot;right.&quot; Tragically, many Catholics in the USA are among them.

Most of these people do not truly know what they are actually talking about in reality when they refer to this issue.  In the media, it is referred to as a private, sensitive, almost intimate, medical procedure. In reality, it is brutal murder of a completely innocent and vulnerable human being.  In the vast majority of the pulpits in our Catholic Churches, it is never, ever mentioned.  Every single year since Roe, this happens legally to over one million human beings in the USA alone.  There have been some small declines recetnly, but considering the huge number of abortions that still occur, any objective conslusion must be that the pro-life efforts to date have not been effective. 

So the question is, how can we more effectively wake up the majority of our fellow citizens to what is actually going on so we can change this national horror?

I submit that if even those in the pro-life movement consider showing people what abortion actually IS to be off limits, then we had better get used to having a third of our babies killed in the womb. 

Because what we have been doing up until now won&#039;t stop it.The evidence shows that respecting our children&#039;s sensibilities leads to most of them supporting &quot;a wmoan&#039;s rigth to choose&quot; by the time they are twenty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for my sarcastic remarks.</p>
<p>Most children in the USA in middle school are pro-life; most who graduate form college are pro-choice.  We are losing the children.  I submit that most of them do not understand the reality of what an abortion is.</p>
<p>In order to protect our sensibilities, we have come to call abortion &#8220;a woman&#8217;s right to choose&#8221; and many Americans of good will support such a poorly described &#8220;right.&#8221; Tragically, many Catholics in the USA are among them.</p>
<p>Most of these people do not truly know what they are actually talking about in reality when they refer to this issue.  In the media, it is referred to as a private, sensitive, almost intimate, medical procedure. In reality, it is brutal murder of a completely innocent and vulnerable human being.  In the vast majority of the pulpits in our Catholic Churches, it is never, ever mentioned.  Every single year since Roe, this happens legally to over one million human beings in the USA alone.  There have been some small declines recetnly, but considering the huge number of abortions that still occur, any objective conslusion must be that the pro-life efforts to date have not been effective. </p>
<p>So the question is, how can we more effectively wake up the majority of our fellow citizens to what is actually going on so we can change this national horror?</p>
<p>I submit that if even those in the pro-life movement consider showing people what abortion actually IS to be off limits, then we had better get used to having a third of our babies killed in the womb. </p>
<p>Because what we have been doing up until now won&#8217;t stop it.The evidence shows that respecting our children&#8217;s sensibilities leads to most of them supporting &#8220;a wmoan&#8217;s rigth to choose&#8221; by the time they are twenty.</p>
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		<title>By: faz643</title>
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		<dc:creator>faz643</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the author that these images should be used in a judicious way. One year while teaching high school CCD, one of the teachers had a pregnant daughter. An ultrasonographer who worked with our CPC came in and did an ultrasound on her for the teens to see. They were able to see, first hand, the reality of life within this woman. Then they viewed the Silent Scream. They were shocked, but my point in doing this was simply, &quot;This is the reality of abortion. What ever position someone is espousing on this subject, this is what they are talking about.&quot; I wanted them to know, as they were setting out into a world hostile to life, what the facts were behind all the language wars using &#039;choice&#039; and &#039;rights&#039; as a sheild to hide the ugly reality that is being promoted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the author that these images should be used in a judicious way. One year while teaching high school CCD, one of the teachers had a pregnant daughter. An ultrasonographer who worked with our CPC came in and did an ultrasound on her for the teens to see. They were able to see, first hand, the reality of life within this woman. Then they viewed the Silent Scream. They were shocked, but my point in doing this was simply, &#8220;This is the reality of abortion. What ever position someone is espousing on this subject, this is what they are talking about.&#8221; I wanted them to know, as they were setting out into a world hostile to life, what the facts were behind all the language wars using &#8216;choice&#8217; and &#8216;rights&#8217; as a sheild to hide the ugly reality that is being promoted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Kochan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Kochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be up to each parent.  And because of that, we should take care not to expose children, because if we do so we are taking away another parent&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be up to each parent.  And because of that, we should take care not to expose children, because if we do so we are taking away another parent&#8217;s right.</p>
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