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		<title>By: Bruce Roeder</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34441</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Roeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kent4mj,

If the citizens would support a viable political party devoted to the US Constitution, the republic would be the better for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kent4mj,</p>
<p>If the citizens would support a viable political party devoted to the US Constitution, the republic would be the better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: kent4jmj</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34401</link>
		<dc:creator>kent4jmj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weigel&#039;s questions are good ones but  miss the point for me We are a Republican form of democracy with a Constitution.
Congress has the responsibility to coin money and set the weights and measures based on gold and silver. How does that mandate square with Fiat money, fractional banking and a Federal Reserve that is not Federal but private? A Bank that is in charge of our money supply.
Congress has the responsibility to declare war before sending troops. 
The founding fathers said No entangling alliances.
What about sovereignty issues. Why are we in the UN? Why are we funding them? Why are our southern borders wide open?
Why are we still in NATO? The berlin wall is history and there is no USSR.
Why do we have a trillion dollar military budget?
What about the discussion that touches on the right to own private property and the fruit of ones labor in light of Taxation of our personal incomes.
How does any policy or position stand up in light of our Constitution?
Where is the Constitutional rational for taking our money to bail out private banks and businesses?
If non intervention and free trade were strong beliefs of our founders, which made us such a strong nation, then shouldn&#039;t we revue any involvement on the &quot;World Stage&quot; in light of their wisdom.

If our government has a &quot;duty to protect&quot; then lets start here with our privacy, no more email/ telephone spying, no more police state legislation lets repeal Patriot Act and Homeland security. How about no more imminent domain, taxation without representation, how about recognizing homeschoolers and the 2nd amendment.

Why is the 3rd Infantry Division ’s 1st Brigade Combat Team returning from Iraq for homeland patrols to help with “civil unrest” and “crowd control?” 

Just some thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weigel&#8217;s questions are good ones but  miss the point for me We are a Republican form of democracy with a Constitution.<br />
Congress has the responsibility to coin money and set the weights and measures based on gold and silver. How does that mandate square with Fiat money, fractional banking and a Federal Reserve that is not Federal but private? A Bank that is in charge of our money supply.<br />
Congress has the responsibility to declare war before sending troops.<br />
The founding fathers said No entangling alliances.<br />
What about sovereignty issues. Why are we in the UN? Why are we funding them? Why are our southern borders wide open?<br />
Why are we still in NATO? The berlin wall is history and there is no USSR.<br />
Why do we have a trillion dollar military budget?<br />
What about the discussion that touches on the right to own private property and the fruit of ones labor in light of Taxation of our personal incomes.<br />
How does any policy or position stand up in light of our Constitution?<br />
Where is the Constitutional rational for taking our money to bail out private banks and businesses?<br />
If non intervention and free trade were strong beliefs of our founders, which made us such a strong nation, then shouldn&#8217;t we revue any involvement on the &#8220;World Stage&#8221; in light of their wisdom.</p>
<p>If our government has a &#8220;duty to protect&#8221; then lets start here with our privacy, no more email/ telephone spying, no more police state legislation lets repeal Patriot Act and Homeland security. How about no more imminent domain, taxation without representation, how about recognizing homeschoolers and the 2nd amendment.</p>
<p>Why is the 3rd Infantry Division ’s 1st Brigade Combat Team returning from Iraq for homeland patrols to help with “civil unrest” and “crowd control?” </p>
<p>Just some thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Roeder</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34307</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Roeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the Republican party alows a pro-life person to voice the truth and get it somewhat recognized. The Democratic party seems to have a deaf ear when it comes to the weakest and most innocent among us.

McCain has a much stronger position regarding unborn life.  

But there is still much work to be done within the Republican party, since the platform seems to support aborting innocent babies in admittedly rare cases of rape and incest.  This incongruous exception makes it evident that either the Republicans have not thought the issue through clearly, or have politically sacrificed the lives of these babies in a compromise to keep more folks in the party.

Scientific research regarding human embryos is another log in the eye of Republicans.

The Democrats seem to see support for &quot;abortion rights&quot; as a litmus test.  If not for membership, then at least for any recognition in policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Republican party alows a pro-life person to voice the truth and get it somewhat recognized. The Democratic party seems to have a deaf ear when it comes to the weakest and most innocent among us.</p>
<p>McCain has a much stronger position regarding unborn life.  </p>
<p>But there is still much work to be done within the Republican party, since the platform seems to support aborting innocent babies in admittedly rare cases of rape and incest.  This incongruous exception makes it evident that either the Republicans have not thought the issue through clearly, or have politically sacrificed the lives of these babies in a compromise to keep more folks in the party.</p>
<p>Scientific research regarding human embryos is another log in the eye of Republicans.</p>
<p>The Democrats seem to see support for &#8220;abortion rights&#8221; as a litmus test.  If not for membership, then at least for any recognition in policy.</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34296</link>
		<dc:creator>elkabrikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATTENTION CE EDITOR!!!!!!!!!!

CHECK THE TRACKBACKS IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!

THE AMERICA and the world trackback is PORN!!!!!!!!

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&lt;em&gt;[Thank you for the warning.  We have removed the post.]&lt;/em&gt; -- Blessings, Mary Kochan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATTENTION CE EDITOR!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>CHECK THE TRACKBACKS IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>THE AMERICA and the world trackback is PORN!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>*********************************************************************</p>
<p><em>[Thank you for the warning.  We have removed the post.]</em> &#8212; Blessings, Mary Kochan</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34295</link>
		<dc:creator>elkabrikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel,

checkout the Democrat and Republican platforms.

The Dems have only strengthened their pro abortion plank.    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

The Republicans are clearly pro life.   http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

I could never vote for a Democrat because of the systemic evil inherent in their social positions.    

After I screen for party membership, I look to the next level.  If both candidates favor abortion at some level, I do as the bishops say and vote for the candidate who will do the least harm.  Since Barak, the Baby Killer who even approves of infanticide, has a 100% pro abortion rating according to NARAL, and NARAL despises John McCain, McCain is the clear choice here too.  

It is disingenuous subterfuge to suggest that McCain is pro abortion and therefore Catholics have a choice on that issue.  Please refer to my above post.  Millstones are very heavy and effective as an anchor.  

Your soul and those you influence are too valuable to lose.  Obviously you are a leader and verbal or you wouldn&#039;t be on CE.  So, it is good that you are the &quot;Devil&#039;s Advocate&quot; here.  For all I know you are the Pope and want to invigorate us to fight for the Kingdom.  The fate of our eternal soul is serious business and worth the attention we all seem to be paying to it.

We are all sinners, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel,</p>
<p>checkout the Democrat and Republican platforms.</p>
<p>The Dems have only strengthened their pro abortion plank.    <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm</a></p>
<p>The Republicans are clearly pro life.   <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm</a></p>
<p>I could never vote for a Democrat because of the systemic evil inherent in their social positions.    </p>
<p>After I screen for party membership, I look to the next level.  If both candidates favor abortion at some level, I do as the bishops say and vote for the candidate who will do the least harm.  Since Barak, the Baby Killer who even approves of infanticide, has a 100% pro abortion rating according to NARAL, and NARAL despises John McCain, McCain is the clear choice here too.  </p>
<p>It is disingenuous subterfuge to suggest that McCain is pro abortion and therefore Catholics have a choice on that issue.  Please refer to my above post.  Millstones are very heavy and effective as an anchor.  </p>
<p>Your soul and those you influence are too valuable to lose.  Obviously you are a leader and verbal or you wouldn&#8217;t be on CE.  So, it is good that you are the &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Advocate&#8221; here.  For all I know you are the Pope and want to invigorate us to fight for the Kingdom.  The fate of our eternal soul is serious business and worth the attention we all seem to be paying to it.</p>
<p>We are all sinners, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: noelfitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>noelfitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for all who contribute to this discussion.

It is lively and stimulating.

The issue is huge.

I have a few quibbles.  McCain is in favor of abortion in certain circumstances.

We are all sinners and stand in need of God&#039;s mercy.  It is not a case that Republicans are saints and Democrats are sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for all who contribute to this discussion.</p>
<p>It is lively and stimulating.</p>
<p>The issue is huge.</p>
<p>I have a few quibbles.  McCain is in favor of abortion in certain circumstances.</p>
<p>We are all sinners and stand in need of God&#8217;s mercy.  It is not a case that Republicans are saints and Democrats are sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: jmtfh</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34290</link>
		<dc:creator>jmtfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Please watch this video--you OWE IT TO YOURSELF BEFORE YOU VOTE, and the many unborn people whose lifes hang in the balance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Please watch this video&#8211;you OWE IT TO YOURSELF BEFORE YOU VOTE, and the many unborn people whose lifes hang in the balance.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: jmtfh</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34289</link>
		<dc:creator>jmtfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO NOEL AND ALL CATHOLICS CONSIDERING VOTING FOR OBAMA:

Pray about this; I mean REALLY pray about this! 

It just might be that when you get to the &quot;other side,&quot; God will ask...&quot;And what did you do for the least of my brothers?&quot; 

If you answer, &quot;I voted for B. Hussein Obama, of course,&quot; God will then introduce you to the hundreds of thousands, maybe MILLIONS of people who lost there lives before birth as a result of Obama.

And then, when your eyes have been opened, you will be separated with the &quot;goats.&quot; Is that what you really want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO NOEL AND ALL CATHOLICS CONSIDERING VOTING FOR OBAMA:</p>
<p>Pray about this; I mean REALLY pray about this! </p>
<p>It just might be that when you get to the &#8220;other side,&#8221; God will ask&#8230;&#8221;And what did you do for the least of my brothers?&#8221; </p>
<p>If you answer, &#8220;I voted for B. Hussein Obama, of course,&#8221; God will then introduce you to the hundreds of thousands, maybe MILLIONS of people who lost there lives before birth as a result of Obama.</p>
<p>And then, when your eyes have been opened, you will be separated with the &#8220;goats.&#8221; Is that what you really want?</p>
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		<title>By: baptizedsoul</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34288</link>
		<dc:creator>baptizedsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no good reason whatsoever to vote for Obama, Biden or Hilary ever! He and his wife along with the entire Democrate Party so heavily endorse murder of the un-born, that those who are against abortion never are heard, even being brushed aside.

Unfortunately, there are much too many Republicans who are in favor of abortion and or are non-committed to ending abortion, and this has fueled the abortion enthuesists to end. The republicans have owned much of the later 20th century and most of the 21st century and still we have abortion, because no one in politics is willing to stand up for truth, justice or mercy. 

With that said there still is no good reason to support and vote for any candidate who approves of abortion. Spititual Laws are not options, as long as a nation or society continues to ignore the reality of spiritual laws it will suffer the effects of being against God.

As for those who try to manipulate Pope Benedict XVI words to satify their own cravings by ignoring the Spiritual Laws of God by claiming that the Church says it is o.k. to vote pro-abortion because the pope gave us an out, they are entirely wrong and they know it, but are hopeful in hiding their guilt by intentionally misinterpreting &quot;Proportionate Reasons!&quot; Bishop Vasa explained the notion of proportionate reasons, saying, “The conditions under which an individual may be able to vote for a pro-abortion candidate would apply only if all the candidates are equally pro-abortion.” 

McCain and Palin are against abortion. Obama, Biden and Hilery are for abortion as well as euthinasia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no good reason whatsoever to vote for Obama, Biden or Hilary ever! He and his wife along with the entire Democrate Party so heavily endorse murder of the un-born, that those who are against abortion never are heard, even being brushed aside.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are much too many Republicans who are in favor of abortion and or are non-committed to ending abortion, and this has fueled the abortion enthuesists to end. The republicans have owned much of the later 20th century and most of the 21st century and still we have abortion, because no one in politics is willing to stand up for truth, justice or mercy. </p>
<p>With that said there still is no good reason to support and vote for any candidate who approves of abortion. Spititual Laws are not options, as long as a nation or society continues to ignore the reality of spiritual laws it will suffer the effects of being against God.</p>
<p>As for those who try to manipulate Pope Benedict XVI words to satify their own cravings by ignoring the Spiritual Laws of God by claiming that the Church says it is o.k. to vote pro-abortion because the pope gave us an out, they are entirely wrong and they know it, but are hopeful in hiding their guilt by intentionally misinterpreting &#8220;Proportionate Reasons!&#8221; Bishop Vasa explained the notion of proportionate reasons, saying, “The conditions under which an individual may be able to vote for a pro-abortion candidate would apply only if all the candidates are equally pro-abortion.” </p>
<p>McCain and Palin are against abortion. Obama, Biden and Hilery are for abortion as well as euthinasia.</p>
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		<title>By: elkabrikir</title>
		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/22/113889/comment-page-1/#comment-34287</link>
		<dc:creator>elkabrikir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,
my point is that whether your neighbor thinks you are in sin or not is irrelevant to your eternal salvation.  &quot;Try to please God and the angels&quot; to paraphrase St John Vianney.

Of course I&#039;m interested in what other people think, or I wouldn&#039;t read and post on a website such as CE.

Voters need to make a decision on whom to elect based on more than a &quot;proof texted&quot; quote and another person saying he doesn&#039;t think they&#039;re in mortal sin.  Find a good priest and see what he has to say.  And of course you are correct in your discussion of proportionality.  I have yet to see what Noel says is proportionate to the 45 million babies killed in the US since Roe.  He seems to doge the question as in his above posts.  That is why I said he is a &quot;wordsmith&quot;.  He needs to back up proportionality or stop using it to sway the less informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
my point is that whether your neighbor thinks you are in sin or not is irrelevant to your eternal salvation.  &#8220;Try to please God and the angels&#8221; to paraphrase St John Vianney.</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m interested in what other people think, or I wouldn&#8217;t read and post on a website such as CE.</p>
<p>Voters need to make a decision on whom to elect based on more than a &#8220;proof texted&#8221; quote and another person saying he doesn&#8217;t think they&#8217;re in mortal sin.  Find a good priest and see what he has to say.  And of course you are correct in your discussion of proportionality.  I have yet to see what Noel says is proportionate to the 45 million babies killed in the US since Roe.  He seems to doge the question as in his above posts.  That is why I said he is a &#8220;wordsmith&#8221;.  He needs to back up proportionality or stop using it to sway the less informed.</p>
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