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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Lazar, for making the connection between civil politics and Church politics.  I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.  And, isn&#039;t it interesting that &lt;strong&gt;that&lt;/strong&gt; battle (i.e., Macarthyism) also continues to this day, albeit under different names.  The Liberals (in both arenas) don&#039;t and won&#039;t give up.  (I suspect they can&#039;t.)  And, weren&#039;t we warned about &quot;the wheat and the tares&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;To Mr. Michaels, I was also under the impression from your article that Fr. Ratzinger/Pope Benedict was one of those &quot;under suspicion&quot;.  I know you have to keep your article to a certain length, but a little more clarification--or, a little less &quot;name-dropping&quot;--would seem to be in order.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for those who take &quot;encouragement&quot; from this--whether in truth or in  implication--they will continue to twist anything they can to their own ends, no matter how carefully we word it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Lazar, for making the connection between civil politics and Church politics.  I couldn&#39;t have said it better myself.  And, isn&#39;t it interesting that <strong>that</strong> battle (i.e., Macarthyism) also continues to this day, albeit under different names.  The Liberals (in both arenas) don&#39;t and won&#39;t give up.  (I suspect they can&#39;t.)  And, weren&#39;t we warned about &quot;the wheat and the tares&quot;?</p>
<p>To Mr. Michaels, I was also under the impression from your article that Fr. Ratzinger/Pope Benedict was one of those &quot;under suspicion&quot;.  I know you have to keep your article to a certain length, but a little more clarification&#8211;or, a little less &quot;name-dropping&quot;&#8211;would seem to be in order.</p>
<p>As for those who take &quot;encouragement&quot; from this&#8211;whether in truth or in  implication&#8211;they will continue to twist anything they can to their own ends, no matter how carefully we word it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Though Ratzinger was not one of those who was ever forbidden to teach or publish (and my article does not say he was), I can point you to this “traditionalist” web page that presents an early publication noting the suspicion under which he was held: &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot; color=&quot;#800080&quot;&gt;http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;There’s no question that this suspicion was not nearly as serious as some of the others that I list.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Still, it’s worth noting as an interesting illustration of the times.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;And my intention is certainly not to give dissenters the encouragement to “stay their course,” if that means ignoring the Church and her teachings and plowing ahead without concern.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Several of those of Ratzinger’s generation who were forbidden to teach at the time provided an extraordinary example of faithful obedience.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yves Congar and Henri DeLubac are obvious examples.&lt;span&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;But the number of people who have, at various points in history, been looked upon with suspicion or condemned by Vatican authorities and later “rehabilitated” in the eyes of the Church, has indeed been taken as a source of such encouragement by some.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It happens.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The most recent example of this will come on November 18, 2007, when Cardinal José Saraiva Martins, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, will beatify Fr. Antonio Rosmini, an Italian philosopher whose books were at one point on the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Index of Forbidden Books. &lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;Personally, I take it as a reminder of the human element in the Church and the carrying out of its mission.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That human, fallible, sometimes sinful element will be there, right along with the divinely protected teaching and activity, until we’re all gathered together in the New Jerusalem.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Times New Roman&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Barry Michaels&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Though Ratzinger was not one of those who was ever forbidden to teach or publish (and my article does not say he was), I can point you to this “traditionalist” web page that presents an early publication noting the suspicion under which he was held: </font><a href="http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm"><u><font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#800080"><a href="http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatizinger.htm</a></font></u></a><font size="3"></font><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="color: black"><font size="3"></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span> </span></font></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black"></span><span style="color: black"><font size="3"></font><font face="Times New Roman">There’s no question that this suspicion was not nearly as serious as some of the others that I list.<span>  </span>Still, it’s worth noting as an interesting illustration of the times.</font></span><span style="color: black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></span><span style="color: black"><font size="3"></font><font face="Times New Roman">And my intention is certainly not to give dissenters the encouragement to “stay their course,” if that means ignoring the Church and her teachings and plowing ahead without concern.<span>  </span>Several of those of Ratzinger’s generation who were forbidden to teach at the time provided an extraordinary example of faithful obedience.<span>  </span>Yves Congar and Henri DeLubac are obvious examples.<span>   </span>But the number of people who have, at various points in history, been looked upon with suspicion or condemned by Vatican authorities and later “rehabilitated” in the eyes of the Church, has indeed been taken as a source of such encouragement by some.<span>  </span></p>
<p>It happens.<span>  </span>The most recent example of this will come on November 18, 2007, when Cardinal José Saraiva Martins, prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, will beatify Fr. Antonio Rosmini, an Italian philosopher whose books were at one point on the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Index of Forbidden Books. <span>  </span></font></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black"><font size="3"></font><font face="Times New Roman">Personally, I take it as a reminder of the human element in the Church and the carrying out of its mission.<span>  </span>That human, fallible, sometimes sinful element will be there, right along with the divinely protected teaching and activity, until we’re all gathered together in the New Jerusalem.</font></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Barry Michaels</font></span></p>
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		<link>http://catholicexchange.com/2007/10/12/96802/comment-page-1/#comment-20675</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;“Applying this (Modernism) to doctrines about God, scripture, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;, and the Church resulted in a drastic watering down of Church teaching.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot;&gt;If that’s the case, then it’s the Church’s fault no? It would have to be. They are wise enough to know the differences and not blame them on some protestant bogeyman.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;&quot;In the first half of the twentieth century, anti-modernism became within the Church what anti-Communism was in the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;United States&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt; in the 1950&#039;s. “&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot;&gt;The myth of &quot;McCarthyism&quot; is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren&#039;t hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation&#039;s ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy&#039;s name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. As Whittaker Chambers said: &quot;Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.&quot; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt&quot;&gt;At the time, half the country realized liberals were lying. After a half century of liberal myth-making,  the disgorging of Soviet and American archives half a century later overcame their lies. In 1995, the U.S. government released its cache of Soviet cables that had been decoded during the Cold War in a top-secret undertaking known as the Venona Project. The cables proved the overwhelming truth of McCarthy&#039;s charges. Naturally, therefore, the release of decrypted Soviet cables was barely mentioned by the New York Times. It might have detracted from stories of proud and unbowed victims of &quot;McCarthyism.&quot; They were not so innocent after all, it turns out. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font face="Arial"><strong><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">“Applying this (Modernism) to doctrines about God, scripture, </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">Jesus</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">, and the Church resulted in a drastic watering down of Church teaching.”</span></font></strong></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt"><font face="Arial">If that’s the case, then it’s the Church’s fault no? It would have to be. They are wise enough to know the differences and not blame them on some protestant bogeyman.</font></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><strong><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">&quot;In the first half of the twentieth century, anti-modernism became within the Church what anti-Communism was in the </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">United States</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt"> in the 1950&#39;s. “</span></font></strong></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt"><font face="Arial">The myth of &quot;McCarthyism&quot; is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Sen. Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren&#39;t hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation&#39;s ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy&#39;s name. Liberals denounced McCarthy because they were afraid of getting caught, so they fought back like animals to hide their own collaboration with a regime as evil as the Nazis. As Whittaker Chambers said: &quot;Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.&quot; </font></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt">At the time, half the country realized liberals were lying. After a half century of liberal myth-making,  the disgorging of Soviet and American archives half a century later overcame their lies. In 1995, the U.S. government released its cache of Soviet cables that had been decoded during the Cold War in a top-secret undertaking known as the Venona Project. The cables proved the overwhelming truth of McCarthy&#39;s charges. Naturally, therefore, the release of decrypted Soviet cables was barely mentioned by the New York Times. It might have detracted from stories of proud and unbowed victims of &quot;McCarthyism.&quot; They were not so innocent after all, it turns out. </span></font></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would ask that the editorial board of Catholic Exchange provide additional detail or clarification about the reference to Joseph Ratzinger as among those whose works were under suspicion of modernism. Further, the line that says &quot;Some of them were forbidden to teach or publish their works for several years&quot; tends to implicate then Father Ratzinger as well.  I have not seen any credible, authoritative accusation of such.  Dropping his name in this context would seem to give credibility to dissenters if they just stay the course. (&quot;You too can become Pope someday!&quot;)  Seriously, this needs to be clarified.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask that the editorial board of Catholic Exchange provide additional detail or clarification about the reference to Joseph Ratzinger as among those whose works were under suspicion of modernism. Further, the line that says &quot;Some of them were forbidden to teach or publish their works for several years&quot; tends to implicate then Father Ratzinger as well.  I have not seen any credible, authoritative accusation of such.  Dropping his name in this context would seem to give credibility to dissenters if they just stay the course. (&quot;You too can become Pope someday!&quot;)  Seriously, this needs to be clarified.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Reno is correct - there are a lot of modernists including my wife, children and a large number of my fellow Catholics. I have been unsuccessful in trying to show them that worshipping a god that they create in their own minds versus the God who has revealed himself to us is so very wrong. The modernist god is no better than the golden calf, it can do nothing, expects nothing in return and has no love. So wide is the easy path!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Reno is correct &#8211; there are a lot of modernists including my wife, children and a large number of my fellow Catholics. I have been unsuccessful in trying to show them that worshipping a god that they create in their own minds versus the God who has revealed himself to us is so very wrong. The modernist god is no better than the golden calf, it can do nothing, expects nothing in return and has no love. So wide is the easy path!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I came across a booklet called &quot;The Catechism of Modernism&quot; about 10 years ago.  It transformed the way I viewed the workings of modern society.  It gave me a way to process the relativism, hedonism, and secularism around me.  In fact, understanding Modernism transformed my battle against the evil around me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Perhaps some priests remember the &quot;harsh&quot; ways with which theologians were scrutinized.  It was a different age certainly.  However, the Holy Spirit kept Holy Mother Church on task regarding rooting out modernism at the tap root.  Ergo, Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across a booklet called &quot;The Catechism of Modernism&quot; about 10 years ago.  It transformed the way I viewed the workings of modern society.  It gave me a way to process the relativism, hedonism, and secularism around me.  In fact, understanding Modernism transformed my battle against the evil around me.</p>
<p>Perhaps some priests remember the &quot;harsh&quot; ways with which theologians were scrutinized.  It was a different age certainly.  However, the Holy Spirit kept Holy Mother Church on task regarding rooting out modernism at the tap root.  Ergo, Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI. </p>
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